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I been reading alot and the opinion seems to be a Tac Officer sucks in the Odyssey, now what I was wondering was if even if I put a tac officer in the lt cmdr slot would I still be better off using a science captain?

Mind you this is planned to be with the +1 Odyssey which I plan to purchase when it is released.
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# 2
02-22-2012, 03:36 PM
Certainly the 1 fewer tac slots between the Odyssey and Assault Cruiser make the Ody slightly less desirable as a tac ship.

But, those who say the Ody sucks as a tac ship just don't know how to load out the Odyssey. I do very well in my Ody as a Tac cap in pvp - and if you're good in PvP, then you are good in PvE.

Other than pvp matches, I've had 4 surprise Ody vs Klingon fights which took place yesterday.

Fought off a klink escort attack with no losses either side. He gave up when I got him down to about 20% and I couldn't catch him before he cloaked.

Destroyed two klink escorts in a 1 vs 2 last night. I don't think I got below 80%.

Was totally chewed in about 2 seconds when I accidentally attacked someone's drone. 3 Klink ships the size of the Alpha Quadrant and all 3 looking like mechanized flying Godzillas opened up and I was dead before the first weapon hit. :p

This was last night in Kerrat.

As far as PvE, my Tac captain Ody is a filthy, dirty beast. And I know I can get better, too. So the ship is just fine with a Tac cappie.
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# 3
02-22-2012, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by muttkicker
This was last night in Kerrat.
This explains a lot.

Try it against a Pre-made Klingon team in a proper KvF PVP match. I can practically assure you, you will explode so quickly that you may wonder for a moment if you forgot to equip shields.

The problem with putting a Tactical officer in the Lieutenant Commander station is that in doing so, you lose nearly 50% of your engineering abilities, and as a consequence, most of your tanking ability. If the Ensign universal slot was retained after the testing on Tribble, there might be a case that the Odyssey could possibly fill the role of a "Heavy Assault Cruiser", sacrificing speed for greater hull and shields.

In any proper PVP setting however, losing that much in Engineering on a ship that turns like a whale is practically begging to be outflanked, outgunned and out-tanked.

Again, Kerrat is not where you go if you wish to weigh up just how "capable" a ship is in PVP. Do it through the queue system, then revaluate the ship's position.
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# 4
02-22-2012, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sorotia View Post
I been reading alot and the opinion seems to be a Tac Officer sucks in the Odyssey, now what I was wondering was if even if I put a tac officer in the lt cmdr slot would I still be better off using a science captain?

Mind you this is planned to be with the +1 Odyssey which I plan to purchase when it is released.
If you want to dps with an odyssey try:

Cannon (single) x3
DBB x 1 (or q-torp)

turrets x 4 (in the back)

all anti proton

use a tac BO in the universal slot with CRF2 and B-overload 2. For your engineer get DEM2 or DEM3. Use it when you use CRF (and use AP:alpha at the same time since they have the same CD timer). If you use q-torp instead of DBB, then HY2 instead of overload2 2.

If you're not hard pressed to stay alive (read: pve) you can also pick up EPtW1 and EPtW2 for your eng, which keeps your weapon power at 125.

This will never out perform the assualt cruiser or dread, but it's not bad. Try it... you'll be glad you did (assuming you like the ody, which I think is ugly).

Quick tip: reverse + evasive manuvers is a quick way to turn your self around.


Quote:
Originally Posted by muttkicker
Certainly the 1 fewer tac slots between the Odyssey and Assault Cruiser make the Ody slightly less desirable as a tac ship.

But, those who say the Ody sucks as a tac ship just don't know how to load out the Odyssey. I do very well in my Ody as a Tac cap in pvp - and if you're good in PvP, then you are good in PvE.

Other than pvp matches, I've had 4 surprise Ody vs Klingon fights which took place yesterday.

Fought off a klink escort attack with no losses either side. He gave up when I got him down to about 20% and I couldn't catch him before he cloaked.

Destroyed two klink escorts in a 1 vs 2 last night. I don't think I got below 80%.

Was totally chewed in about 2 seconds when I accidentally attacked someone's drone. 3 Klink ships the size of the Alpha Quadrant and all 3 looking like mechanized flying Godzillas opened up and I was dead before the first weapon hit. :p

This was last night in Kerrat.

As far as PvE, my Tac captain Ody is a filthy, dirty beast. And I know I can get better, too. So the ship is just fine with a Tac cappie.
If you can kill anything in pvp with a ody then they either suck, or the have no gear. If you have so much survivability, then you would seriously be short on dps. I would bet that anyone that knows what they're doing wouldn't die. Odyssey simply doesn't do enough dmg to hurt anyone, you may survive, but thats about it. And if you can't kill anyone in a real pvp match you're not really helping your team.
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# 5
02-23-2012, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyell

If you can kill anything in pvp with a ody then they either suck, or the have no gear. If you have so much survivability, then you would seriously be short on dps. I would bet that anyone that knows what they're doing wouldn't die. Odyssey simply doesn't do enough dmg to hurt anyone, you may survive, but thats about it. And if you can't kill anyone in a real pvp match you're not really helping your team.
So you're saying an Ody should never win in PvP against any equally skilled Klingon?
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# 6
02-23-2012, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by muttkicker
So you're saying an Ody should never win in PvP against any equally skilled Klingon?
"Should"? Of course it 'should', but by all rights with the present state of balance in this game, it won't, because it's a cruiser.

Cruisers do not have the damage potential to threaten a skilled escort or Bird of Prey pilot. Best case scenario, it's a stalemate... Worst case, you get trounced.
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# 7
02-24-2012, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Koppenflak
"Should"? Of course it 'should', but by all rights with the present state of balance in this game, it won't, because it's a cruiser.

Cruisers do not have the damage potential to threaten a skilled escort or Bird of Prey pilot. Best case scenario, it's a stalemate... Worst case, you get trounced.
Against a skilled escort, this is so.
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# 8
02-24-2012, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Koppenflak
"Should"? Of course it 'should', but by all rights with the present state of balance in this game, it won't, because it's a cruiser.

Cruisers do not have the damage potential to threaten a skilled escort or Bird of Prey pilot. Best case scenario, it's a stalemate... Worst case, you get trounced.
The ODESSEY doesn't have the damage potential. The dread with its lance has enough burst to burn down an escort before then can get away... if you're lucky; and like it was a 5 min stalemate before hand.
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