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# 1 Borg Buffed beyond reason
02-23-2012, 02:05 AM
Im not saying that the STF elite buff was unnecessary but i will say it was significantly over done.

The 5th fleet is not under powered we went into the STF with a minimum of XI level antiproton weapons and various XI+ torps, we have run STF's for quite some time but when we rolled into Kitomer expecting perhaps 20 or so mins of fleet based fun and games....

....a minimum of 20+ deaths per ship and some serious frustration despite dual gate drops and some frankly astounding cube and probe control from our escorts we were left beaten and broken with nought to show for our efforts but a few chips and a frankly useless blue in our bags.

the buff of the borg general aggression may have went a little too far but the buff to there weapons and durability is frankly beyond the joke, high end player weapons and shielding systems even in the hands of practiced veterans (we were all in MACO and Omega full sets) were getting ripped apart like tissue paper in the hands of a conic hay-fever sufferer.

What i am trying to say is that simply buffing the elites to the point of near unsuitability for play in order to limit player upgrades is pointless even if it does mean you have to put out less content.


give us NEW STF actions and stop buffing the darn borg, were bored of it and simply making it harder isnt going to keep us playing it when there is no darn point
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# 2
02-23-2012, 02:08 AM
i am sorry but when were the borg buffed up? as i remember they reduced there level and gave them less durability but stronger weapons personally i think it should be the other way round but whatever. i havent had any problems running STFs on elite for ages and i have been doing it with pugs so i can only see one conceivably problem and thats your group
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# 3
02-23-2012, 02:20 AM
They ARE the Borg......
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# 4
02-23-2012, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kalic89
i am sorry but when were the borg buffed up? as i remember they reduced there level and gave them less durability but stronger weapons
on standard STF's they got a level reduction and weapons buff (that's why STF's are so darn easy now) but elites retained there level and still got the buff.

as for the group we had until recently run the Kitomer STF at least three times a week and steamrolled over it with significantly less powerful gear (primarily the Borg sets) but now were getting mauled every time we go in.

its...frustrating
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# 5
02-23-2012, 03:23 AM
You just got whooped the Elite TNG Borg. If you want battle Early Voyager Borg, take MK XI stuff in to the Normal STFs. If you desire to battle the Late Voyager Borg, take MK XII [BORG] equipment in to the Tutorial.
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I actually very much dislike how the Borg have been made in this game. They do not remind me of the Borg in TNG or even Voyager other than the art work.

First complaint:
The Borg do not use shields, they use dampening fields; a device which dampens the effects of energy weapons.

When the Borg “adapts” their dampening field to the energy output and frequency of the weapons being fired at them, they in effect nullify the effect of that weapon; thus why in Star Trek Lore, the Federation incorporated rotating the frequency of their energy weapons.

Solution to first Complaint:
Remove shields from all Borg Vessels! Then Increase the hull strength, hull repair rate, and hull resistance to all damage types.

For a final touch, create an armor that works like the passive ability from the Aegis shields of the Aegis set that increases damage resistance from energy weapons as a passive ability. This armor will simulate the Borg’s adaption process.

Second Complaint:

-Part 1: Borg Cubes:
The Borg Cubes are seriously lacking firepower. They either have the stupid one hit kill torpedo or honestly don’t do any real damage. Not once was I ever frightened of being destroyed by a Cubes Plasma beams, cutter beam or tractor beam. The solution is not to increase the damage!

Here is what I suggest that would fix the Borg Cubes to fix us, if you know what I mean.

-Give Cubes Beam Fire at Will III, allow that ability to be used every 15 seconds. In this way the Cube will be able to really lay down some fire and also have a chance at shooting down heavy torpedos being fired by the player.

-Give Cubes Tractor Beam III and Tractor Beam Repulsers III. The Repulsers will help the Cube survive.

-Keep the Cubes Cutting beam.

-Keep the Cubes ability that does the shield drain. IDK what it is called, but that one shot green thing that takes our shields down!

-Remove the cubes one hit kill torpedo. Add another cutting beam.

-Part 2: Borg Spheres:
I think the Borg Spheres are fine as is as long as the first changes about shields etc. in my first complaint are taken care of. I think that the Spheres will actually die a bit faster than before, which is fine!

Anyway… that my 2cents about the Borg. Just had to get it off my chest.
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# 7 ive been
02-23-2012, 06:44 AM
This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~ Suricata
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# 8
02-23-2012, 06:45 AM
Elite STFs feel less like they're difficult, or hard, and more that they're just a giant patience trial in how often you can stand to see yourself get blown up.

I mean, yeah, Borg are meant to be tough but... Elite kind of takes it to an extreme. Plus the fact your entire ship exploding with everyone on board, is just a small slap on the wrist, just bugs me to no end.
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# 9
02-23-2012, 06:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleon View Post
I actually very much dislike how the Borg have been made in this game. They do not remind me of the Borg in TNG or even Voyager other than the art work.

First complaint:
The Borg do not use shields, they use dampening fields; a device which dampens the effects of energy weapons.

When the Borg “adapts” their dampening field to the energy output and frequency of the weapons being fired at them, they in effect nullify the effect of that weapon; thus why in Star Trek Lore, the Federation incorporated rotating the frequency of their energy weapons.

Solution to first Complaint:
Remove shields from all Borg Vessels! Then Increase the hull strength, hull repair rate, and hull resistance to all damage types.

For a final touch, create an armor that works like the passive ability from the Aegis shields of the Aegis set that increases damage resistance from energy weapons as a passive ability. This armor will simulate the Borg’s adaption process.

Second Complaint:

-Part 1: Borg Cubes:
The Borg Cubes are seriously lacking firepower. They either have the stupid one hit kill torpedo or honestly don’t do any real damage. Not once was I ever frightened of being destroyed by a Cubes Plasma beams, cutter beam or tractor beam. The solution is not to increase the damage!

Here is what I suggest that would fix the Borg Cubes to fix us, if you know what I mean.

-Give Cubes Beam Fire at Will III, allow that ability to be used every 15 seconds. In this way the Cube will be able to really lay down some fire and also have a chance at shooting down heavy torpedos being fired by the player.

-Give Cubes Tractor Beam III and Tractor Beam Repulsers III. The Repulsers will help the Cube survive.

-Keep the Cubes Cutting beam.

-Keep the Cubes ability that does the shield drain. IDK what it is called, but that one shot green thing that takes our shields down!

-Remove the cubes one hit kill torpedo. Add another cutting beam.

-Part 2: Borg Spheres:
I think the Borg Spheres are fine as is as long as the first changes about shields etc. in my first complaint are taken care of. I think that the Spheres will actually die a bit faster than before, which is fine!

Anyway… that my 2cents about the Borg. Just had to get it off my chest.

This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~ Suricata
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# 10
02-23-2012, 06:46 AM
Strange, we played all three missions on Elite twice yesterday, one round with a semi-PuG and one with some fleetmates. We beat KA in < 11:00, Cure in < 7:30 and Infected in < 8:00 minutes in every single match. The Borgs are still weak (High Yield 3 Plasma Torps beeing the exception, but those can be shot down). Of course you'll get oneshotted fom time to time, but 20+ deaths?

STFs are pure DPS grindfests. Leave those Starcruisers and Intrepids at ESD and switch to escorts.
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