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Lt. Commander
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These ships just seem to come up short. They have fewer weapons, tactical consoles, engineering consoles, are short one ensign slot, have about ten k less hull and less shields. So they will have less resistances and less damage output, and a smaller overall health pool.

I guess back in the day the universal slots were so strong and unique so there was a trade off involved. But they are no longer unique. Or was it that they were supposed to be some sort of ersatz science ship? Well now that we have pocket sub nucs is this still a valid argument?

Battle cloak? Is that it? Who uses that really?

I suppose a Bird of Prey could be effective. In Hello Kitty Online.

Post how it is that you think you've made a Bird of Prey viable.

Or post how it is that you like the pretty explosion they make on your screen.

Edit: That bit on consoles isn't clear. What it should say is just that there is one less Tactical Console compared to any Federation escort. Consoles on a Bird are evenly distributed so any Bird will have one more or one less of either Science or Engineering when compared to different Federation ships. Straight up the Klingon Honor Guard set easily makes up for the shortcoming on the Tactical console slot so its very easy to argue that the Bird of Prey actually has a one console advantage over any escort. But I'm not here to do that. I'm here to say they are stinky. And that they could use a little developer loving.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
02-28-2012, 08:12 AM
You're doing it wrong..........
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# 3
02-28-2012, 08:20 AM
The BoP is a pretty good ship. With the Battle Cloak it is a great ship for a hit and run build and it can deal much dmg if you want that. The BoP is great I like them as enemy's and to fly it my self.
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# 4
02-28-2012, 08:20 AM
Use them tactically as a guerilla war fighter uses guerilla tactics. Come in fast, hit hard, leave fast and cloak once your target is about 5km behind you. Turn around, rinse and repeat. It is better if you are not alone!!!! And you coordinate an alpha strike with a friend; you can take down just about anyone! Enjoy!
Lt. Commander
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# 5
02-28-2012, 08:25 AM
The Bird of Prey is far from the worst ship. That being said it does pay dearly for what makes it special (battle cloak and universal slots) and those benefits have been eroded by the ever expanding Federation fleet roster. While the BoP can swap certain things out on the fly Feds can do a lot of the same stuff, often time better, and all they have to do is return to dock and swap it out. A BoP that can get in, do it's dead, and get out quickly is very effective as long as it doesn't stay gone too long and leave it's team a man down.

Personally, I'd like to see 3 different BoPs added with characteristics to correspond with existing captain classes. A Tactical Commander slot, +10 Weapon Power, +5 Engine Power, with moderate hull and shields, 4 Fore and 3 Aft weapon slots, 3 ENG/2SCI/4TAC console slots, etc. Another might have an Engineering Commander slot, +5 Power across the board, high hull and moderate shields, 4 Fore and 3 Aft Weapon slots, 4ENG/2SCI/3TAC console slots, might be a bit bigger and slightly slower. A Science Commander slot, +15 Aux Power, low hull and high shields, 2ENG/4SCI/3TAC console slots. All of these would maintain battle cloak of course. These are clearly just rough, incomplete specs and they aren't all that different from the original but they would earn back some of what they gave up to make them more viable against their Fed counter parts. The console slant is still more heavily geared towards damage too. Maybe the Lt. Commander station would remain universal, or just the Lt stations, I don't know.

Also, it would be nice to see the Raptor pivot point addressed but I suppose that's a topic for another thread.
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# 6
02-28-2012, 08:30 AM
Well I partly agree with the OP.

The BoP is for sure not the worst ship in general, but it gut surly left behind. There are more and more universal slots in-game, lots or BO-arrangements ingame that are builds formaly unique to the BoPs (MVA-prometheus for example) and many changes in gameplay did IMO hit the BoP pilots in particular.

Don't get me wrong, its still an awsome ship and I still love to fly it, but lets face it, it lost A LOT (not all) of its advantadges and gained nothing in return. A little focus on it wouldnt hurt.
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# 7
02-28-2012, 09:00 AM
Funny...multiple threads over the past couple years complaing about how OP the BoP is in the PvP forums, but, here is one complaining about what a POS it is...ROFLMFAO...
That alone should tell the OP something right there.
If you don't care for it, don't fly it...the Empire has a fine selection of ships at that level.

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The Bird of Prey is far from the worst ship. That being said it does pay dearly for what makes it special (battle cloak and universal slots) and those benefits have been eroded by the ever expanding Federation fleet roster.
Steve Hale is very accurate in his description. Over the years the BoP has again and again proved it's value in the hands of veteran pilots. It takes a pilot with a thorugh understanding of this games mechanics and particulars to make it a formidible opponet.
I won't stae the obvious...
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# 8
02-28-2012, 09:14 AM
Well great. Go ahead and point out what makes it superior, or even on par with other ships. Or continue along the lines of such brilliance as "ROFLMFAO".

Go ahead. State the obvious. I dare you.

No. I DOUBLE DOG dare you.

I went there.
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# 9
02-28-2012, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Thissler
Well great. Go ahead and point out what makes it superior, or even on par with other ships. Or continue along the lines of such brilliance as "ROFLMFAO".

Go ahead. State the obvious. I dare you.

No. I DOUBLE DOG dare you.

I went there.
Well it still has the highest turnrate, and in dogfights with escorts that a HUGE advatadge.
The Battle-cloak is still the battle-cloak. It MAY be hard to handle, but if done right it IS a huge advatadge.
And the universal slots still allow combinations impossible for any other ship.

There are of course many downsides for that.
But the ship is still unique and great. I just didnt catch up with other gameplay changes. Other ships got buffed, other ships classes got new "versions" (new escorts, new cruisers ect ect) the BoP is still prety much the same as he startet as. And while newer ships are stronger (the devs openly admit that by now), the BoP.. didnt.
Lt. Commander
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# 10
02-28-2012, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by KBFLordKrueg View Post
Funny...multiple threads over the past couple years complaing about how OP the BoP is in the PvP forums, but, here is one complaining about what a POS it is...ROFLMFAO...
That alone should tell the OP something right there.
If you don't care for it, don't fly it...the Empire has a fine selection of ships at that level.



Steve Hale is very accurate in his description. Over the years the BoP has again and again proved it's value in the hands of veteran pilots. It takes a pilot with a thorugh understanding of this games mechanics and particulars to make it a formidible opponet.
I won't stae the obvious...
Yes let them keep saying its under powered... its so under powered it needs to be buffed! Yes its so true *wink* ROFL
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