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Lt. Commander
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# 11
03-01-2012, 09:15 AM
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Yeah, I want to ignite the flamethrower on him… but… well… it isn’t fun to make fun of ignorant statements such as that. It would be similar to making fun of an American inner-city kid who didn’t know that Canada isn’t another State in the United States of America.
Wait! Canada isn't a state? WTF? When did this happen?
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# 12
03-01-2012, 07:35 PM
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Oh boy, I fully expect you to be flamed about 100 different ways because of this single statement. I won't even go into how wrong you are, since I'm sure you'll read plenty of it.

Hope you brought your flamesuit.
Really?? Then please tell me how i am wrong.

Human Society in the Trek Universe is a Communist Society...NOT the Federation, but Human Society itself. It is what Communism should be, because the "State" can actually support its population thanks to Replicator Tech.

What Communism should be, and how Communism is on Earth right now, is NOT the same. Communism can really only be fesable by a self sustaining entity. Which the Trek Universe Earth can.

If you can tell me how Earth Society of Trek Universe, again NOT the Federation (they are 2 seperate entities) is not a Communist Society, then please present them.
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# 13
03-02-2012, 12:56 AM
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If you can tell me how Earth Society of Trek Universe, again NOT the Federation (they are 2 seperate entities) is not a Communist Society, then please present them.
Communism =! Socialism

The Federation demonstrates Socialism at multiple levels, through the voluntary cooperation of (most) people in society. Unlike Communism, though, it has a proper system of voting, and not everyone is equal. There are still priviledges that the "common" person cannot have (large house or office, for example).
Lt. Commander
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# 14
03-02-2012, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bluntman1138 View Post
Really?? Then please tell me how i am wrong.

Human Society in the Trek Universe is a Communist Society...NOT the Federation, but Human Society itself. It is what Communism should be, because the "State" can actually support its population thanks to Replicator Tech.

What Communism should be, and how Communism is on Earth right now, is NOT the same. Communism can really only be fesable by a self sustaining entity. Which the Trek Universe Earth can.

If you can tell me how Earth Society of Trek Universe, again NOT the Federation (they are 2 seperate entities) is not a Communist Society, then please present them.
Although I wholeheartedly agree with the intent of what you are saying, and have no desire to get involved in a slug fest over things like Marxism, the bathing habits of hippies, or the varying degrees of socialism exhibited by current political systems.

I'm just here to say "You spelled feasible wrong.".

Thanks for reading!
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# 15
03-02-2012, 11:54 PM
Since the Earth of Star Trek has the general welfare of the population covered, it would appear to be socialist in some aspects, but it also is a great showcase for individualism, and in this way also seems quite libertarian. The Picard family estate with it's apparently privately own vineyards seems to speak of property rights thriving in the future. There is the Sisko family restaurant as well. People found the place they belonged in society without being forced, and equality wasn't forced. It is still understood that people were free to choose, and not in thrall to the state.

I have always felt that Trek held the wise vision that extremes are to be avoided. The extreme of communism/collectivism is showcased in the Borg, while the other extreme of greed (Though it was not really capitalistic, rather a lawless acquisition of wealth) is found in the Ferengi. Indeed, Trek is "The Best Of Both Worlds!"
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# 16
03-03-2012, 02:30 AM
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Michael Nesmith as Spock.

Spock with a wool hat *snicker*
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# 17
03-03-2012, 07:31 AM
I don't think there would have been all that much of a difference if Chekov had not been inspired by Jones and the Monkees. Either the character would never had been introduced or else portrayed in a different sterotypical way to appeal to the primarily American audience in spite of Gene's personal beliefs about communism. Maybe he would have been based on Boris from the old Bullwinkle cartoons.
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