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Lt. Commander
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By undesired, I mean catastrophic, e.g. OMG we just irradiated Vulcan with deadly desination when we entered the system.

Scientific Research: http://www.universetoday.com/wp-cont...ised-final.pdf
News Article: http://www.universetoday.com/93882/w...ller-downside/
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Planning a little space travel to see some friends on Kepler 22b? Thinking of trying out your newly-installed FTL3000 Alcubierre Warp Drive to get you there in no time? Better not make it a surprise visit — your arrival may end up disintegrating anyone there when you show up.

“Warp” technology and faster-than-light (FTL) space travel has been a staple of science fiction for decades. The distances in space are just so vast and planetary systems — even within a single galaxy — are spaced so far apart, such a concept is needed to make casual human exploration feasible (and fit within the comforts of people’s imagination as well… nobody wants to think about Kirk and Spock bravely going to some alien planet while everyone they’ve ever known dies of old age!)

While many factors involving FTL travel are purely theoretical — and may remain in the realm of imagination for a very long time, if not ever — there are some concepts that play well with currently-accepted physics.

Warp field according to the Alcubierre drive. (AllenMcC.)

The Alcubierre warp drive is one of those concepts.

Proposed by Mexican theoretical physicist Miguel Alcubierre in 1994, the drive would propel a ship at superluminal speeds by creating a bubble of negative energy around it, expanding space (and time) behind the ship while compressing space in front of it. In much the same way that a surfer rides a wave, the bubble of space containing the ship and its passengers would be pushed at velocities not limited to the speed of light toward a destination.

Of course, when the ship reaches its destination it has to stop. And that’s when all hell breaks loose.

Researchers from the University of Sydney have done some advanced crunching of numbers regarding the effects of FTL space travel via Alcubierre drive, taking into consideration the many types of cosmic particles that would be encountered along the way. Space is not just an empty void between point A and point B… rather, it’s full of particles that have mass (as well as some that do not.) What the research team — led by Brendan McMonigal, Geraint Lewis, and Philip O’Byrne — has found is that these particles can get “swept up” into the warp bubble and focused into regions before and behind the ship, as well as within the warp bubble itself.

When the Alcubierre-driven ship decelerates from superluminal speed, the particles its bubble has gathered are released in energetic outbursts. In the case of forward-facing particles the outburst can be very energetic — enough to destroy anyone at the destination directly in front of the ship.

“Any people at the destination,” the team’s paper concludes, “would be gamma ray and high energy particle blasted into oblivion due to the extreme blueshifts for [forward] region particles.”

In other words, don’t expect much of a welcome party.

Another thing the team found is that the amount of energy released is dependent on the length of the superluminal journey, but there is potentially no limit on its intensity.

“Interestingly, the energy burst released upon arriving at the destination does not have an upper limit,” McMonigal told Universe Today in an email. “You can just keep on traveling for longer and longer distances to increase the energy that will be released as much as you like, one of the odd effects of General Relativity. Unfortunately, even for very short journeys the energy released is so large that you would completely obliterate anything in front of you.”

So how to avoid disintegrating your port of call? It may be as simple as just aiming your vessel a bit off to the side… or, it may not. The research only focused on the planar space in front of and behind the warp bubble; deadly postwarp particle beams could end up blown in all directions!

Luckily for Vulcans, Tatooinians and any acquaintances on Kepler 22b, the Alcubierre warp drive is still very much theoretical. While the mechanics work with Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, the creation of negative energy densities is an as-of-yet unknown technology — and may be impossible.

Which could be a very good thing for us, should someone out there be planning a surprise visit our way!
Let's hope the Vulcan's don't come for a visit 2063.
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# 2
03-02-2012, 11:30 AM
Why is it that studies are generally of the most obvious things? :p


"Injuring yourself hurt.
So our study proved that not injuring yourself is beneficial."
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# 3
03-02-2012, 11:44 AM
Well they forgot to factor in the forward deflector array that will keep particles away from the ship, and warp bubble...

I mean really. These people are in the science field but they forgot to factor in deflector technology what a munch of newbs
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# 4
03-02-2012, 12:05 PM
so warp drive just became the ultimate doomsday weapon?

awesome.
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# 5
03-02-2012, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chat
Why is it that studies are generally of the most obvious things? :p


"Injuring yourself hurt.
So our study proved that not injuring yourself is beneficial."
The article isn't about the ship colliding with something because it's too fast or anything like that.
Or are you comparing it to a sonic boom from a vessel flying at supersonic speed... That may actually be an interesting comparison.

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Originally Posted by Zodi-emish
Well they forgot to factor in the forward deflector array that will keep particles away from the ship, and warp bubble...

I mean really. These people are in the science field but they forgot to factor in deflector technology what a munch of newbs
Deflector technology may protect the ship. But the point of the article is that the warp bubble creates a large assortment of high energetic particles and photons that will devastate any place where you go "below warp".
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# 6
03-02-2012, 12:08 PM
I prefer Robotech/Macross' Fold, which will allow me to appear anywhere in the universe? (i don't recall ever seeing power requirements/limits)... so.... Triangulum?
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# 7
03-02-2012, 12:11 PM
Boy, this concept sure changes the premise of the latest Trek movie.

"Drop us out of warp, it's a trap!"
-drops out of warp and vaporizes the doomship from the future-
Hum. That ambush didn't work out too well for those guys, did it?
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# 8
03-02-2012, 12:13 PM
Sounds like another Captain Ratika rule:

-'I am no longer allowed to use the warp drive to shotgun blast entire planets.'
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# 9
03-02-2012, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MustrumRidcully View Post

Deflector technology may protect the ship. But the point of the article is that the warp bubble creates a large assortment of high energetic particles and photons that will devastate any place where you go "below warp".
Duh... Increase power output to the Deflector field so the field itself is right on the edge of the warp bubble. that way the particles are pushed aside and fly on past.

I mean really it isn't that had.


( and if anyone could not tell. you should not be taking me serious on my replys )
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# 10
03-02-2012, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MustrumRidcully View Post
The article isn't about the ship colliding with something because it's too fast or anything like that.
Or are you comparing it to a sonic boom from a vessel flying at supersonic speed... That may actually be an interesting comparison.
Kinda.
Momentum and all that. *throws some glitter* All that energy around the field and whatnot traveling with you gotta go somewhere, no?

How to say...
Hold a mug(this is a warp field) filled with water(pretend it's the particles inside the warp field) and move it quickly forward as if you are about to chuck the water at someone. Will the water stay in the mug or will it splash forward once you stop your hand?
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