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# 11
03-04-2012, 11:50 PM
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And this is why your all going to be replaced by Holograms :p

But I do agree with the Security Breach #1, 3 and 4.

All in all I enjoyed the mission, but those three would have made it feel more real.
Hell I am not a corrections hologram and I thought it was odd I didn't have even one escort.

And I was sad I couldn't release the inmates sooner... I mean they gave me the codes.. how do they know I am not dumb, or evil, enough to cause the riot myself
I though the report would simply read

FAIL FAIL FAIL!

:p

I still don't know why a faciltiy would use holographic guards that could be disabled by a single technical malfunction. I mean, okay, you can take out all humanoid security guards with a single technical malfunction as well - life support failure. But that would also kill all inmates (except a select few that don't need life support), and would probably be an acceptable result (under the constraint that something really really bad happens for the security of the station).

Also, they should have used transport scramblers. No way someone beams into the station. If anyone wants aboard, he can use a Shuttle.
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# 12 to continue/start the RPing
03-05-2012, 03:55 AM
Vice Admiial's Log
Stardate: 83253.62
Time: 2347
Subject: RE: Security Audit for Facility 4028

Vice Admiral Ravin Mot, I am Vica Admiral Price, upon reviewng your letter and the written complaints of other captains who have made trips to Facility 4028, I felt the need to make an inspection of my own and this is the bone rattling discoveries i made:

In paragraph 3 you write "After I materialized inside the facility I found myself alone, with only a voice recording to guide me, directing all visitors to seek out the warden by following a blue line. Thus begins the first of many security breeches I discovered at what is supposed to be our highest level security facility in the Federation. Recommendation, a security escort would be advisable here. Not only for a visitor's protection, but to ensure that visitor isn't armed, which I was."

I fully agree with this assesment. For anyone to simply beam on to the station armed without any sort of search or warning from the ISIS computer is simply rediculous! Civilian starships and freighters have better Transporter-security-protocals! The fact that my aid and I were allowed to freely keep our weapons concealed is to great to overlook. ALL PERSONEL COMING AND LEAVING THE STATION SHOULD BE SEARCHED. As for the the ISIS voice directing you to the blue line, though i am not totally oppossed to this at lesser grade facilities 4028 should've had a guard greeting all arrivies and leading them to thier destinations.

In paragraph 4 you state: "After exiting the facility's transporter room I found the blue line the voice was referring to. I've researched the facility's security and know that it is made up of holograms. What I found odd was that these holograms were wearing armor. Why? Aesthetics, I guess. They were also armed with phaser rifles, security breech number two. It's not advisable to allow staff to carry potentially lethal weapons inside a facility known to house violent criminals. Even a stun phaser at the highest setting can be lethal.

Doing reasearch into the Hologram guards "Aesthetics" i found their cosmetic subroutines were programed to these perameters to deffer inmates from assaulting the guards. Though you cannot physically harm a hologram inmates can do harm to themselves which is not favorable at all. As for the holograms carrying weapons, I am indifferent seeing as the weapons themselves were holographic a humanoid wouldn't be able to use as the owner hologram could simply de-materialize and re-materialize at will. Atleast i would hope so.

Paragraph 5/6: The blue line lead me to a door marked Processing Area A. A pad presented itself to me as I reached the door. Looking around, I expected to see one of the Holo Officers move to approach the pad, but they did not. So I manipulated the pad to open the door and lower the force field. Security breech number three. Visitors should not be allowed to open, close, or deactivate security doors or force fields, or activate a security bridge.

I walked into a small area where I found the "Warden." I identified myself and asked If I could inspect the cells on this level. After another quick check of my ID, the warden pointed me to the access panel to gain access to one of the secure wings. Again, manipulating the panel myself, I deactivated the force field, activated the bridge, and opened the door. Turning around I walked back to the door I originally entered through to find that it too was wide open providing a clear path form the secure wing into the main lobby of the facility. Security breech number four, before one entry way opens the other entry way should be secure.

"Visitors should not be allowed to open, close, or deactivate..." Very true the amount of freedom I had to interact with ISIS's system's was apolling on top of not having any escort. I remember back when i was a lowly Comander I lead a mission, with Admiral Zelle, to the Vendor System to destroy weapons the Romulans were working on. Upon arrival i found Zelle to be Undine and the whole misson a plot to assist "IT" in infiltration the Romulan Empire. If something like that happened again and any of those crimials were free'd Starfleet and the Federation would be at fault.

I believe that the Warden Hologram was made "too human." when dealing with him i felt he felt as if he could fully trust me not to do any wrongs because of my rank. As i said above with my experience with the Undine agent possing as Zelle i do not make that mistake anymore.

Paragraph 7: I was allowed to enter the secure wing alone, walking by the first cell I noticed the security pad to the cell presented itself to me. I accessed the pad and found out I could freely open the cell door, however I was not granted access to the force field, which, with the lack of security found in this facility did surprise me. Alas, I should have not been allowed to roam the wing unescorted, much less been allowed to open cell doors.

I must say that I was not surprised by the force fields being unmanipulatedable by myself, just thankful and relieved.
After my inspection the Senior Officer, a human male, invited the Warden and i to eat with them. The warden being a hologram understandably refused while my aid and i accepted the offer. I tried to, informally, question him about his role and the daily operations that go on here but he was more interested in my young aid then me. Needless to say i snuck out of the dinning and began to made my way back to the Warden's office.

The Warden then told me that Captain Gaila off the USS TICONDEROGA had been destroyed passing near the Vorn system and that clearence came through for me to see the Female Changling and take her and her Vorta servant back to Deep Space Nine. I'm sure you know of whats been going on there as does the whoel quadrant. After i approached the Female Changling and explained the situation there was a system failure in the main ISIS core, all Holograms and cell force fields ceased function. I was on route to the transporter room with the Female Changeling, her vorta servant, and my aid when we were attacked by the lead Jem'hadar, Karu'kan."

Luckily if you you call it luck, or failure of security, as stated in Paragraph 1, my aid and I were still armed with are hand phasers and with help from, the Vorta's Jem'hadar we were able to fight off them off and as our Borg friends say, "bring order to chaos."

Now an attack on a Starfleet/Federation facility is sadly not uncommon these days, however the lack of security at facility 4028 and the fact that the Jem'hadar were able to cross four Federation sectors undetected. Uncloaked. Has me thinking that there is a serious lack of security throughout all of the federations and possibly a traitor in our ranks. My suspicions of Admiral Quinn being an undine agent aren't secret however I cannot believe that he alone is the culprit. That he is getting help from others. T'nae told me that Zelle often traveled to earth for "meetings" and "conferences," which suggest the two were close, and we saw what happened there. My friend, Rear Admiral Si'atl, once suggested [Contents redacted by order of Sction 31].

[Contents redacted by order of Section 31].

[Contents redacted by order of Section 31].

Rally whoever you believe you can trust, though do keep our "inner circle" small. If someone like Quinn were to get wind of this it could spell disaster for a already corrupt Federation. I look forward to day day we can meet.

Sincerely,

Vice Admiral Price
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# 13
03-05-2012, 04:02 AM
What is being forgotten in this entire discussion is the fact that:

This facility is supposed to be top secret... You don't simply go there for a visit, and talk to your loved ones during visiting hours.

Unless you are Top level cleared... You aren't even supposed to know it is there...

Thats also the reason the guards are mainly holograms (well worth reading the dialouges). They don't leave, and tell everyone where the prison are...

I take it you also noted the distinct lack of orbital defences?
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# 14
03-05-2012, 04:13 AM
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What is being forgotten in this entire discussion is the fact that:

This facility is supposed to be top secret... You don't simply go there for a visit, and talk to your loved ones during visiting hours.

Unless you are Top level cleared... You aren't even supposed to know it is there...

Thats also the reason the guards are mainly holograms (well worth reading the dialouges). They don't leave, and tell everyone where the prison are...

I take it you also noted the distinct lack of orbital defences?
Exactly. And in addition to the above, I also notice that a ship of an enemy power was allowed to independently transit to the Ayala facility.

Kar'ukan simply had to track the distinctive warp signature of Eraun's vessel to the target and transport his infiltrator teams aboard at the moment where the player and Eraun were allowed to be beamed aboard.
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03-05-2012, 04:16 AM
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I though the report would simply read

FAIL FAIL FAIL!

:p

I still don't know why a faciltiy would use holographic guards that could be disabled by a single technical malfunction. I mean, okay, you can take out all humanoid security guards with a single technical malfunction as well - life support failure. But that would also kill all inmates (except a select few that don't need life support), and would probably be an acceptable result (under the constraint that something really really bad happens for the security of the station).

Also, they should have used transport scramblers. No way someone beams into the station. If anyone wants aboard, he can use a Shuttle.
I'll add, they DID have transport scramblers. The Vorta was unable to beam aboard until we got his transporter unblocked.
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# 16
03-05-2012, 04:43 AM
I recall there was also an extensive and very comprehensive lockdown mode engaged the moment primary ISIS went down.

However with the lack of human personnel for enforcement, the computer systems are totally useless and open for exploitation.
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# 17
03-05-2012, 05:01 AM
Additional fails:

- None of the drop-off 'moats' in the isolation zones mean diddly if the artificial gravity fails.

- There is no security at all on the doors leading to the ISIS cores.

- The movements of the cameras are not concealed; and their coverage is poor.
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03-05-2012, 05:32 AM
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And I was sad I couldn't release the inmates sooner... I mean they gave me the codes.. how do they know I am not dumb, or evil, enough to cause the riot myself
who says you didn't??? *looks around the room suspiciously*

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This facility is supposed to be top secret... You don't simply go there for a visit, and talk to your loved ones during visiting hours.

Unless you are Top level cleared... You aren't even supposed to know it is there...
and thats why they allow klingons, who they are at war with, to transport down armed and wander around without so much as an escort

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Exactly. And in addition to the above, I also notice that a ship of an enemy power was allowed to independently transit to the Ayala facility.

Kar'ukan simply had to track the distinctive warp signature of Eraun's vessel to the target and transport his infiltrator teams aboard at the moment where the player and Eraun were allowed to be beamed aboard.
that doesn't explain how they got that far into fed territory in the first place
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# 19
03-05-2012, 07:22 AM
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What is being forgotten in this entire discussion is the fact that:

This facility is supposed to be top secret... You don't simply go there for a visit, and talk to your loved ones during visiting hours.

Unless you are Top level cleared... You aren't even supposed to know it is there...

Thats also the reason the guards are mainly holograms (well worth reading the dialouges). They don't leave, and tell everyone where the prison are...

I take it you also noted the distinct lack of orbital defences?
Security by Obscurity? I think that's a case where it isn't really security.
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# 20
03-05-2012, 08:35 AM
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Believe it or not we are human, and rely on spell check way too much. Oh, and corrected.
Haha! Okay, I was just picking on you

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Now to deal with the rest of your post, and, mind you, this is based off of the 21st century policies found at the prison I work at, which is a male medium security state facility. However, I am familiar with the policies at our maximum and supermax prisons. I believe most state agencies have similar policies. My story also uses that knowledge as its basis.

Security Breach #1 Until an inmate is outside of the facility, he remains our responsibility. He is monitored from cell to exit by correctional staff. Not necessarily personally escorted like in the facility I work at, unless the inmate is on segregation. However, this facility in STO appears to be, at least, maximum security if not supermax. In that case all inmates will be secured with at least handcuffs and often times leg irons, and escorted by at least two correctional officers at all times within the facility.

On to weapons. At no time will weapons be allowed beyond the secured perimeter of the facility, they must be checked and stored at designated areas outside the secured perimeter. That goes for all facilities, pre-release and up. We do not carry lethal firearms inside the facility, just radios, cuffs, and mace.

Security Breach #2: You got me there. We don't have a policy in place for holo officers and phaser rifles. I would like to point out, though, that the rifles don't phase with the holograms, so if they're real, refer to my last statement in "Security Breach #1."

Security Breach #3: Again, as long as the inmate is in our custody, he is still our responsibility. I don't care if you're here on behalf of the director of the FBI, or the President of the United States, you will not be allowed to go to an inmate's cell and escort him, by yourself, inside the facility. Unless, of course, you are a correctional employee from another facility within the state, but even then we like to escort our own inmates. The inmate will be brought to you, by an escort, as explained above, in a max or supermax facility.

Security Breach #4: Glad we could agree on something. :p
Security Breaches 1 & 2: If the weapons are not photonic, which they seemed to be, they could have safety features that only allow the staff to use them. I believe I heard that such technology exists to day, though it is unreliable, but by the 25th century they should be able to iron out all of the bugs, right?

Security Breach 3: It seems there is not as much division in the 25th century. Today we have state, federal, this group, that group. In the Federation, it's a United Federation of Planets. While there are different groups with different assignments (MACO, SCE, etc) starfleet officers fill the function of police, military, security, whatever. Sort of the small town person that does everything lol. So I would think it'd be like a corrections officer from the same state escorting the prisoner, and since they're holographic officers, they might not feel like anyone is stepping on their toes if they escort their prisoner.

And overall, force fields could be erected anywhere automatically to contain prisoners (assuming ISIS isn't having a hissy), and since there are usually no living beings working at the facility, they don't have to worry as much about prisoners getting loose or taking hostages. If they get away from a hologram, they can just make more pop up in front of them, or a force field.

That's just my two cents
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