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# 31
03-06-2012, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer
The participation rewards are the same - whether you fight the opposing side, fight the Borg, spend the whole thing dead, etc, etc, etc.

The reward for actually winning the zone - which is broken because of the -50 Borg - goes to the side that captures the facility (and to the top folks from that side).

Enter Ker'rat in a +4 Borg instance - get 28 points on the board from decrypting and destroying repair hulks. You get a reward...a purp. You don't have to get the full 28, just be #1 in the list.

That reward does not exist in a -50 Borg broken instance, but it being broken does not change what it should be doing.

If you allow the opposite side to complete the decryptions/hulks, then you lose your chance at the item reward.

It's not about beating the Borg. It's about beating the opposite side.

It's that simple.
Much snipped for brevity.

That is metagaming. It is treating the borg like a non-threat (which is only true because it is a non-dynamic game). The purpose you are sent there to defeat the borg is to defeat the borg, not to get a purple toy.

And I am not complaining about PvP, just about anyone suggesting PvP should be the only reason for being there.
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# 32
03-06-2012, 11:11 AM
Actually, Ker'rat would be a much better place if these rules were followed. Nothing wrong with a few gentlemanly rules. Hell, if we as a human race can follow the Geneva Convention, surely learning how to not be an annoying jerk in Ker'rat is also doable. *L*

I would also amend with the following universal rules:

1). We don't want to hear about the latest Tribble movie. Or Chuck Norris. Or anything meme related.

2). Yes, it is a PvP map. It is also a WARZONE. As such, you're supposed to go after objectives before the other side gets them. Stop using the place as an excuse to get an easy kill (besides, you can do it after the Warzone round is over) and actually GO AFTER OBJECTIVES! Actually play the level as it's meant to be played.

3). Ganking a player who's tied up or engaging the borg is a punk move (only acceptable if you're competing for a node or repair drone). The acceptable thing to do is help them beat the Borg away... THEN engage. It's a classy move, however, if you both just nod your heads and walk away.
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# 33
03-06-2012, 11:22 AM
I always hated Ker'rat because mixing PvE and PvP in such a manner easily leads to griefing type of PvP, where players can easy jump on someone whose engaged in PvE for an easy kill. This is the leading cause of rage and complaining.

It either needs to be a pure Open PVP zone (with no NPCs) or the zone be remodeled to be a true warzone map where both sides have a reason to fight each aside form killing for the sake of killing. Because right now, even if one side wins, the other still gets credit for the round.


And of course the goldfarmers need to go too.
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# 34
03-06-2012, 11:30 AM
The only Rule for Ker'rat is that there are no rules.
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# 35
03-06-2012, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 1nONLY_DRock
Actually, Ker'rat would be a much better place if these rules were followed.
true but in PvP, there is never any honor, i played PWE's new shooter today and typically i have been shot in the back or during reloading. its the same for any game, you get an advantage you exploit it for gain, it will always happen, thats why the game makers and their teams try to balance all the stuff up during PvP.

there are no rules in PvP combat other then killing your opponent by the most effective means possible.
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# 36
03-06-2012, 11:37 AM
Make a FED Kerrat security fleet, and a KLING Kerrat gank fleet so there will be FvK pvp again ^^
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# 37
03-06-2012, 12:06 PM
I rarely post in this type of thread puerly for the fact that I believe that pvp areas are only as good as the people who your teamed / onside with and the skills of players, however I always wondered why people trash talked in Kerrat so badly up until a few weeks ago.

When a klingon gets blown up the whole pack seems to single in on 1 target repeatedly almost victimising them and ruining the experience for that player ( worse is when roleplayers do it - what is in the least bit honerable about a 6 on 1 attack).

The other thing I noticed entering my Klingon for the last while is a horrid tactic of 2 or 3 fed ships constantly sitting at the spawn point spamming a billion and one mines and when a Klingon ship respawns they instantly get blown up, while I understand wanting to win spawn camping is bad enough but that tactic gives no chance of escaping outside of having a carrier with duterium surpluss evasive manuvers and an engine battery it just takes away any element of fair play and the people doing it seem to think they are good players I fail to see how parking a ship amd farting out mines like you ran through a vindaloo nebula is in anyway the sign of being a skilled player.


Obviously there is an objective in Kerrat but most people do like to have a fight while they are there even in war there are rules.
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# 38
03-06-2012, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kimmera
Much snipped for brevity.

That is metagaming. It is treating the borg like a non-threat (which is only true because it is a non-dynamic game). The purpose you are sent there to defeat the borg is to defeat the borg, not to get a purple toy.

And I am not complaining about PvP, just about anyone suggesting PvP should be the only reason for being there.
The Borg are a non-threat because they are broken. They are -50 (-X) rather than +4. At +4, they present a threat - either in the form of a Tactical Cube or in a group of Probes, Spheres, and Cubes.

The purpose you are sent there is not to defeat the Borg. The "mission" does not end when you have defeated X number of Borg. It is not a Red Alert. The "mission" objectives are to gather 8 Encryptions and to destroy 4 Repair Hulks.

Even without the -50 Borg, you can accomplish this without defeating any Borg. It's a raid.

You are sent there to gather resources before the opposing faction (Encryptions) and to deny them further resources (Repair Hulks). You're not there to gather resources faster than the Borg. You're not there to deny the Borg resources.

It's not a case of suggesting that "PvP" should be the only reason for being there in the least. There are challenges, arenas, capture & hold for that (even though, you can get Dil and EC there). Heh, I believe that if they fix the -50 Borg; that Arena farming would be faster than Ker'rak farming.

Even if the Feds and KDF never fire a single shot at each other though, it is still a PvP zone - it is a race between two sides. A racing game is still a form of PvP.

As mentioned, because of there being no KDF until level 20 - many Feds do not think of it as a PvP zone. For them, it wasn't - I mean, there weren't any KDF - how could it have been? Well, if instead of waiting on the 4 minute timer they had jumped to another instance - they would have found out. Then again, if they jumped - they would find a -50 (-X) instance; where the loot/XP would be garbage and there would be no end reward for your participation in the "mission"...

In Red Alerts, the Borg are the threat. In Ker'rat/N'Vak, the Feds or the KDF are the threat. There are not NPC Feds or KDF though...there are players.

Personally, I'd prefer that the focus in Ker'rat was on the Dil farming. I can zip through there in an Odyssey as well as I can on an Escort, well, I could before I deleted the guy with the Odyssey, lol. I farmed Ker'rat with four toons daily. I got pretty good on the approaches, angles, turn and burns, etc, to grab the Encryptions. It was rare to be able to that on my KDF guys (spawn camped over and over), which often led to the infuriating wait for the slow Feds to do it.

If I wanted a fight, I would try Arena or Capture & Hold. Mainly because there was not much of an actual fight in Ker'rat. Sure, there are the folks doing their duels over at Cracked - but for the most part, Ker'rat is really a gank zone rather than a PvP zone (what it is rather than what it should be, sort of thing). It's either 8-12 Feds ganking a KDF at the spawn or its a couple of KDF breaking cloak to gank the Fed.

The funniest part is people acting like it matters. All it potentially does is slow down the Dil farming.

But in the end, it's as simple as it is a PvP zone - while your primary purpose in going there may not be to fight, it is a PvP zone - you should expect that at some point, somebody is going to jump you one way or the other. And, you should realize it doesn't really matter...

...that's one of the reasons that so many folks AFK, do not respawn, and end up just chatting.

The metagaming of the raid, the gaming of the zone, etc - falls apart because of how broken the zone is. It's the eat, watch TV, chat zone... while hopefully somebody zippy farms your Dil. Your only required interaction being to jump instances if you want to do it faster... or simply to complete/accept the mission over and over.
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# 39
03-06-2012, 02:47 PM
I actually enjoy the Klingon Fed fighting in Ker'rat, It makes you be on your guard. I for one have also sneaked up on a couple of Klingons with my cloak on my defiant, little did I relise there was more of them lying in wait.

I think this is what alot of us would like only on a grander scale, an open instance PVP sector/system where anything goes.
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# 40
03-06-2012, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by barry110 View Post
I actually enjoy the Klingon Fed fighting in Ker'rat, It makes you be on your guard. I for one have also sneaked up on a couple of Klingons with my cloak on my defiant, little did I relise there was more of them lying in wait.

I think this is what alot of us would like only on a grander scale, an open instance PVP sector/system where anything goes.
I'm not sure what your "alot of us" equates to, but my "alot of us" thinks Ker'rat is the perfect example of why an actual open instance PvP area would not work. It would basically be Ker'rat w/o Borg (which you can basically experience in Ker'rat with the -50 Borg anyway).
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