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Greetings,

This thread contains a partial transcript of "Priority One Podcast Episode 66 Part 2" and by partial I mean that I've only typed up what is said about the potential new ships after 8m 30s into the interview, also I've left out any, repeated lines, stutters, "umms" or "Ahhs", etc...

This episode was released back on the 6th of Febuary 2012 so bare in mind that this info is over a month old and this also took a me quite some time as I've never never attempted such a task before now.


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Top ships on my list that I would like to see coming out, that will be coming out eventually will be an Andorian ship. I mean you could call it a battle cruiser but, I think itís going to be an escort because the Federation needs a new escort in my opinion. I donít know what kind of Andorian ship itíll be but itíll be an escort or escort like. I mean thatís what Andorians are right, it should be tactical heavy.

I want to do a Caitian ship, and I donít want us toÖ Well Iíll go ahead and spill the beans on that one. Iíve wanted to do a Caitian carrier for the Federation, so thatís what I want to do and the reason why I want to do that is because weíve talked about whether or not a carrier should ever be on the Federation side and Klingons probably donít want it, some Federations do want it, but a lot of people will say the Federation would never have a carrier, itís just not in their nature.

Although theyíve alluded to in soft canon or in designs that the Akira was supposed to be a carrier or the Oberth was supposed to be a carrier, but it never really manifested in the IP. So in order to side-script the idea that the Federation would never have a carrier, another race in the Federation could. So everyone loves Caitians, so then we could pretty much so whatever we like with that ship, make a Caitian carrier and thatíll be pretty cool.
Is it going to look like the Thundercats tank?
Yeah every time I think that, it should have like the claws in the front...

*Laughs and jokes*

Iím never going to be happy until the Caitians get a complete set of costume options so that I can have the USS Thundercats with Cheetara, Tygra, and Panthro. Iím going to be the first one to do it as soon as I get all of those costume parts and hair styles for the Caitians, so thatíll be awesome.

So Caitian carrier maybe, thatís what I want to do, maybe not a carrier, weíll see how people react to it, but Iíve also wanted to do a broad siding shipÖSo instead of fore and aft weapons it has port and starboard weapons. I think that would be pretty cool, different game play and I thought maybe weíll put it on a Caitian carrier; itíll be like a Battlestar.
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Weíve talked a great deal about doing the Ambassador-class, the bottom line is that I want to get the Ambassador-class into the game for one reason only, and thatís so that we can have all of the Enterprise ships in the game, but I donít really care about the Ambassador-class because itís an older ship right. I canít make a tier 5 AmbassadorÖ Yeah we made a tier 5 Excelsior, but the Excelsior was so much cooler, so much more desired, so many more people wanted it and thatís why we made a tier 3 & 5 version of it.

The Ambassadorís going to be a big boat, itís going to be slow, people donít like it when we make slow cruisers and it canít compete with a Galaxy right. We already have a tier 5 Galaxy, it canít be tier 4 so itís really a tier 3 ship. Itís really where it needs to go and you know, when we were developing the game, thatís one of the ships that we talked about doing, but we were trying to make sure that every ship had a different profile. So the Cheyenne made it in because it had the four nacellesÖ The Ambassador looks so much like the Galaxy, if we made it tier 3 it wasnít such a change to getting to the Galaxy, it wasnít such a big boom! Wow thatís so different, thatís so coolÖ The cruisers change very dramatically, all the ships on the Federation side really changeÖ
Did you see the Andrew Probert version, the original version of that ship? Itís been on Drex files, it has the more Ent-D type deflector and everythingÖ
Yeah itís still very ambiguous, if you threw both versions up, anyone familiar with the Ambassador would say yes thatís an Ambassador but they wouldnít be able to tell you at a quick glance, which one was on screen and which one wasnít. You could even say the same about the two Excelsiors; theyíre really pretty close unless you see them right next to each other. So I donít know if anybody really wants a tier 3 ship, I think itíll eventually get into the game but we want to make it with a really cool power, maybe itíll go through time or something. *Laughs*
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Well I think it should definitely be tied to a story where you find the old wrecked hull of the Enterprise-C, you know find some way of tying it to a FE series.
I wanted to do that for the Excelsior, I totally wanted to doÖ You find out what happened to the Enterprise-B, right no one knows what happened to the B and that would unlock the Excelsior but things changed, that never happened. So yeah we could do that with the C, but still it would have to be a tier 3 ship, and then we would have to come up with a special ability console to even make it desirable for anyone to want to get, but still it hasnít made it into the game for those particular reasons and right now weíve fleshed out all the low tier ships and we really want to focus on the high tier ships at this point.

So, the Andorian battle cruiser or the Andorian escort is one that we really want to do, we may very well do a Caitian carrier, Iím not sure how if it would be like a full carrier or a light carrier, like one or two carrier slots, I donít know. Maybe we wont even do it as a carrier if people are really apposed to the idea.
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Iíll jump the gun on a question that I know is coming up that Iíve seen and that is the Vesta-classÖ So I donít have any official word for it but we have been in contact with Mark Rademaker, I know Adam has been in contact with him and signs point to yes. HE has said that CBS has given approvalÖ I have not received official word from CBS, we can not proceed until I get that, I havenít heard no, but they just havenít responded to my e-mails honestly soÖ Iím trying to confirm that, because we donít want to get into any legal problems but if CBS said yes weíll do a Vesta. I donít know what itís going to be, itís obviously going to be a big cruiser, I donít know what itís going to do, what itís going to be, I donít know anything about it, but Iíve wanted it in the game for a long time, itís a beautiful ship.
Well its special thing at the time was the fact that itís the first ship designed with and for Quantum Slipstream, well now at this point in the story all ships have it so that takes away that special ability but the other thing that it had that no other cruiser had was forward mounted cannons, on a cruiser and all the weapons on it were mark twelve and these cannons were supposedly the most powerful weapons in Starfleet. Like it was said that these cannons could take on a Cube all by its self and really jack it up!
Sure we can put cannons on it but itís not going to come with mark twelves *laughs* youíll just have to get those yourselfÖ
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Just maybe some kind of high end cannons; you know like you guys did with the Sao Paulo.
Every time we make something like a new species or a new ship; we just hit all the references right, we hit the hard canon, soft canon, books. We do everything we can to try to find what can we do, for instance Iíll throw another surprise out there; I just finished today both the Type-10 Chaffee shuttle and a Yellowstone Runabout. So those will be two new shuttles thatíll be coming out, there will be shuttle gameplay in the Featured Series coming up and we want to have more shuttle gameplay.

Rolling back to your original question probably is the last episode we watched in our Friday Star Trek TV lunch, and we watched the Voyager episode where Harry Kim was popped into an alternate timeline where he had never got on Voyager and was an Engineer on the Yellowstone Runabout. So it has a Tetryon-Plasma engine that didnít really say what it did so itís going to add Warp Core Proficiency and it also ejects Tetryon-Plasma kinda like Eject Warp Plasma but it just stalls ships. So you have a little shuttle that comes with a little shuttle engine that you can move to any other shuttleÖ So same thing we did with the Chaffee, the Defiants shuttle; we do a lot of hardcore research on what was that ship about and we try to make sure that we honour that as much as we can when we design it.

So if weíre able to do the Vesta weíll try to make it feel exactly like it was designed as much as possible.
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# 2 Continued...
03-07-2012, 08:42 AM
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Other ships going forward, weíve talked about other weird things to do but I donít want to get into those to much, as far as straight up ships; I donít have anything else planned for the Klingons, they actually have a lot on their side, I think theyíre a little ahead of the game. I canít recall if I have anything else in the pipeline as far as Federation, Klingon ships, if thereís something else someone else wants out thereÖ
If you get a chance get with Captain Logan and go over to Mark Rademakerís site and look at the Planck.
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Yeah is that the Voyager, Miranda hybrid kind of thing? I know he wants to do that oneÖ
Yes, that oneís really coolÖ He is also doing a Voyager-refit right now from the ďFull CircleĒ novels, when Voyager was refit and sent back to the Delta Quadrant.
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So for me and the game, what Iím always looking for is what can weÖ When we build a shipÖ Weíre running out of resolution on what to do right, thereís not a lot of things that we can do. Itís very hard to design a new ship and say howís it going to fit in here thatís not going to replace an existing role just be duplicitous with an existing role that just makes it feel really different. Which is why the desire to make a Caitian carrier because the Federation donít have a carrier so that would be a brand new role for them, for instance finding a role for the Vesta is going to be hard. With the Odyssey out and all the other heavy cruisers that are out there, itís going to be challenging so Iím looking for what can we do thatíll be completely different and offer really new gameplay for everybody. Not just whatís the new best thing, itís easy to make it better right, I can add 15 BOff slots and 15 console slots, ooohhh itís the best itís great! Thatís not going to workÖ

So trying to find some ships out there thatíll be different, you know Federationís a little weak on escorts so thatís why I kind of want to do an Andorian as a escort and not as a battle cruiser because Federation doesnít need another cruiser, there was one otherÖ
Well the Vesta with its weapon pack could be more of a tactical edge cruiserÖ
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It can be more of a tactical cruiser but isnít the Dreadnought, and the Sovereign both a tactical cruiser rightÖ
Yeah but kind of weak ones really because the Sovereign doesnít even have the Lt Commander slot where you can fire four quantums at once or anything like that but hereís a ship where you could give them all those types of things.
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People have also asked for a plus one Sovereign, people have also asked for a plus one, tier 5 AkiraÖ So those are also other things we want to do, because itís Sovereign, itís the last Enterprise and it should be represented out there! Everything that I would want to do to the Vesta could also go into the Sovereign and it just makes it very tough, very hard to kind of find those niches in there without constantly raising the bar.
See I always looked at the Vesta as the next step, that was the next Sovereign, basically as far as when you read the books and everything it was the next Sovereign so thatís your plus one Sovereign right there. I actually thought it should be the Enterprise-FÖ
Sure but everyone has there different ships, there favourites that they want to play, there are people who just want to play the Galaxy, thereís some people who want to play the Connie and so I have to make sure that even though I keep, you know this kind of dove tales into why did we make the design decisions for the Odyssey, which Iím sure weíll get into, but to touch on that a little bit, itís the next ship, itís the next big thing but story wise thatís great weíll make it the best thing in the world because it should be itís the next best technology but game balance wise it doesnít work.

I still need to make sure that people who want to play Sovereign, Galaxy can compete with that both in PVE and PVP. The Vesta you know it could have been the next Enterprise, thereís no reason why it couldnít have been other than thatís not what we did, we had a fan base thing that we wanted to do with that and the Vesta was from a series of books you know it was the USS Aventine, it wasnít the USS Enterprise.
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With you guys getting the rights, if CBS gives the thumbs up; is that for the class of ship or does that allow you to say ok now we can have the Aventine in game, that we can have pop in on Featured episodesÖ
I donít know, I would just have to ask; we generally have the rights to most soft canon resources including books but we do have to ask, like we donít have to ask if I want to do something with a particular, something from, anything that is hard IP thatís been on screen, we can just do thatÖ I donít have to ask them if we want to the Vidiians in the game or have the Sheliak or the Excalibian in the game, we can just do it, and we donít need any permission for that. We can do any character we want, except likeness rights is where it becomes a problem. When it comes to soft canon books we can generally get it but we have to ask permission. So the next question would be can we use the Aventine and the characters from that book and the answer is we would have to ask permission for that.

So anyway, what to do with it; people want the Sovereign represented more and theyíre right they should and people want a tier 5 Akira and people were upset when we made the plus one Akira a tier 3 but I hope itís apparent now what we were trying to do as we were making sure that we filled out, had ships all the way through, had plus one versions, had better versions of every ship all the way from tier 1 to tier 5. So we took every ship and we made a better one, it doesnít mean that we canít do a tier 5 Akira. The lower down the tiers it gets harder, do people want a tier 5 Olympic probably not.
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I think it has to be a ship that makes sense for a tier 5Ö
So the Akira could probably, I think itíll make sense, but me as a systems designer IÖ Like I was totally cool with saying weíre going to have tier 5 versions of all the tier 4 ships, because those were all the Captain IP ships, the Intrepid, the Defiant and the Galaxy, YES of course we have to have tier 5 versions of those.

Ok now we want the Akira, well can we just pull the Akira out, but my system INTJ, my anal-retentive kind of sensibility sais well then that means we should be able to turn all the tier 3 ships into tier 5 ships, so we should probably move the Akira, the Olympic, because weíve already got the ExcelsiorÖ Some people are going to want that right because we set the bar there, honestly Iíll probably just go ahead and make a tier 5 Akira eventually and probably not make any other lower ships tier 5 but if someone wants something else itíll go up there. Itís like oh can we have a tier 5 Nova, itís pretty cool and Harry Kim had one.
That's pretty much all of the important stuff about ships; however the interview does continue and the link is in the first paragraph of the OP...
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03-07-2012, 08:45 AM
that layout is a head trip. feels like my eyes are falling into the page lol.
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03-07-2012, 08:46 AM
So riddle me this ...

The IP doesn't visibly support the Federation having a carrier, so the devs decide to SIDESTEP that and get one in anyways.

Marginalizing the KDF's uniquness all the more.

Yet the IP also doesn't visibly support a T5 TOS Constitution. Why no effort to SIDESTEP that?

Yeah, I've long considered the game's ship balance as skewed and slanted by bias. This pretty much confirms it. The game was so much better at launch, with ships that were balanced, before all this extra +1 and special ship nonsense got shoehorned in. And now it just looks like that the "pet projects" and preferred ships make it in, but the player feedback, as usual, gets sidestepped as well.

Ah well.
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# 5
03-07-2012, 08:46 AM
So ships get a T5 because they're cool, not because of their age or size or anything.
Interesting.
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03-07-2012, 08:47 AM
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So riddle me this ...

The IP doesn't visibly support the Federation having a carrier, so the devs decide to SIDESTEP that and get one in anyways.

Marginalizing the KDF's uniquness all the more.

Yet the IP also doesn't visibly support a T5 TOS Constitution. Why no effort to SIDESTEP that?

Yeah, I've long considered the game's ship balance as skewed and slanted by bias. This pretty much confirms it. The game was so much better at launch, with ships that were balanced, before all this extra +1 and special ship nonsense got shoehorned in. And now it just looks like that the "pet projects" and preferred ships make it in, but the player feedback, as usual, gets sidestepped as well.

Ah well.
I donīt like what Al Rivera said. Especially the part about the Excelsior and the Ambassador.
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# 7
03-07-2012, 08:54 AM
They don't want to make the ships people actually ask for. Instead, they "sidestep" to make more alien lottery ships and a carrier the Federation does not need.
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# 8
03-07-2012, 08:57 AM
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I donīt like what Al Rivera said. Especially the part about the Excelsior and the Ambassador.
Yeah, the amount of contradiction inherent in his statements about the Excelsior and the Ambassador make my brain hurt. The Ambassador IS superior to the Excelsior. Yet because the Excelsior is subjectively a "cooler" ship, the Excelsior is T3 and T5 ... but the Ambassador HAS to be T3?

Yeah, wonderful logic.

/sigh
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# 9
03-07-2012, 08:59 AM
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So ships get a T5 because they're cool, not because of their age or size or anything.
Interesting.
I actually think that's the only fair thing to do in a Startrek Themepark MMO. if this game was more oriented for simulation, sure, Tier 5 Excelsiors are ridonkolus. But it's really not, so screw that, and just give us ways to advance every ship to Tier 5. Even TOS Constitutions. But heck, if CBS says no to NX-01 and TOS Constitution, fine, have it their way, but they don't really have good arguments for any of these restrictions.

At the same time, I think CaptainGeko is worrying a little too much about mechanical uniquenes of these ships. I bought all original ship costumes in the store not because they had someone uber stats or console, but because they gave me more ability to customize my ship, to give my Captains a ship that I like. But since they are hard-linking looks and stats, I fly a Star Cruiser instead of a Galaxy or Sovereign.
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# 10
03-07-2012, 09:00 AM
Hey folks

I spent a lot of time on this, because I personally thought it was info worthy of the task. I don't normally do this, but I figure this has been pretty much one of the most talked about topics over the past month, some people may have missed the interview or some people may have impaired hearing so here is the important bit about the ships from the interview for all of you to read, but I do how ever wish to remind everyone that a lot of what CaptainGeko says in the interview is personal opinion and none of what he says is set in stone, so it's all subject to change.

P.S. If the colour of the text I selected is a big issue, send me a PM and I'll change it, but I did it to try to separate the dialog and make it clearer. Lastly I've done this simply for our communities benefit and no other reason, just a little task I assigned myself to keep me busy.
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