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# 31
03-13-2012, 07:28 AM
Why do people assume all alien species must be mammals?

Do non-mammalian species need breasts?
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# 32
03-13-2012, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Darren_Kitlor
Why do people assume all alien species must be mammals?

Do non-mammalian species need breasts?
Technically mammals in general don't need breasts either. Humans have breasts, but most mammals just have nipples.
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# 33
03-13-2012, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by MingTran
or in the same case Gorn
now forgive me for being obtuse but how exactly would you tell a female gorn from a male one given that they happen to be a reptilian species thus no mammary glands and no recognizable secondary sexual characteristics.

so in effect Gorn females and Gorn males are pretty much identical bar possibly muscle bulk which if we are sticking to known reptilian characteristics the female would be bigger and much more aggressive.

who knows that Gorn tactical officer you thought was male may well be a mommy
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# 34
03-13-2012, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Darren_Kitlor
Why do people assume all alien species must be mammals?

Do non-mammalian species need breasts?
There's no theoretical reason why they shouldn't need them.

It depends entirely on the method of procreation, for the most part, and whether or not they've evolved beyond that capacity or not in some fashion.

If Species A produces live young, unless it has some other method or capability of feeding said young, then some biological method with which to do so is necessitated by the half of the species required to handle that function - what that is can vary wildly. There's a staggering amount of variation that can occur, so long as the young gets food somehow.

Eggs-laying (or similar methods of procreation) get around this by having an extended period of incubation and growth that produces offspring that is mostly self-sufficient upon hatching from the egg, though it still needs protection (in most cases) until it properly matures. While it may be able to digest more 'adult' food, it may also need some assistance in actually gathering that food.

Fish and insects for the most part tend to demonstrate that you can get around all that with necessary methods evolving (generally by producing offspring in bulk so that the loss of any one individual infant is insignificant as long as enough of them survive to continue propagation of the species).

There's absolutely nothing saying that an alien reptile couldn't give birth to live young and thereby grow some reptile equivalent of breasts, or that an alien mammal could lay eggs or reproduce by budding, and so forth.

Do non-mammals need breasts? No. Technically speaking, neither do mammals. However, for ease of identification on-screen, it tends to help get the idea across that 'THIS IS A CHICK' when you add breasts, no matter whatever reason you have for them developing. That's just how the human mind works. Nevermind that it's easier to model and/or design costumes for (et. all) for reasons mentioned previously.
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# 35
03-13-2012, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Galan_Vaurek
Well, that brings to mind the debate that was brought up ages ago.. surrounding the Saurian Females... having breasts. Reptiles don't nurse their young.. why do the saurian females have mammary glands??

Hmmmm?



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Well, this is something we had a discussion about over in the KDF forums a while ago and it appears the Cardassians are "reptilian with mammalian characertistics" according to the soft-canon material.
While no such info is avialble about the Saurians the fact they got breats like the Cardassians would indiacte they fall into the same "not quite this, not quite the other"-category.
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# 36
03-13-2012, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Darren_Kitlor
Why do people assume all alien species must be mammals?

Do non-mammalian species need breasts?
LOL, I know. How many lizards or bugs do u see w/ breasts?
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# 37
03-13-2012, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Aries2507 View Post
now forgive me for being obtuse but how exactly would you tell a female gorn from a male one given that they happen to be a reptilian species thus no mammary glands and no recognizable secondary sexual characteristics.

so in effect Gorn females and Gorn males are pretty much identical bar possibly muscle bulk which if we are sticking to known reptilian characteristics the female would be bigger and much more aggressive.

who knows that Gorn tactical officer you thought was male may well be a mommy
Reptiles usually do have some kind of characteristics that allow you to differentiate between male ans female, but it's just a lot different from what we may be used to from what we're more familiar with

from here:
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.230...47698753269257


"Lacertid lizards exhibit sexual dimorphism in size corrected values for abdomen (always larger in females) and head (larger in males) lengths[...]"

from here:
http://www.surrey-arg.org.uk/SARG/08...es=Grass_Snake

http://surrey-arg.org.uk/SARG/08000-...Dimorphism.jpg

so in theory they'd have a whole lot of possibilities when creating females from species that are far less similar to us than for example the Vulcans or Klingons.
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