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# 81
03-13-2012, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer
If somebody knocks on your door that you have never met before, would you say that you sought them out?
If somebody calls you on the phone that you have never met before, would you say that you sought them out?

Now, say you went around knocking on the doors of people you have never met before...
Now, say you went around calling people on the phone you have never met before...

That's the difference between encountering new life and seeking out new life.

There was plenty of encountering - there was not much seeking.
What about where you put the door?

They were out there where they could be found while they were trying to find, not exactly like sitting at Earth and waiting.
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# 82
03-13-2012, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain_Collier
What about where you put the door?

They were out there where they could be found while they were trying to find, not exactly like sitting at Earth and waiting.
The wife sends you to the store to pick up bread, eggs, and milk. You meet somebody you have never met before. Did the wife send you out to meet them? Or did you just happen to meet them while out to pick up bread, eggs, and milk.

That work better? That's the gist of most of Star Trek.

While on a mission to do XYZ, we encountered...
While on a mission to do ABC, we made contact...
While trying to do that, this happened...

And at various times, we even have that happen in STO...
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# 83
03-13-2012, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer
The wife sends you to the store to pick up bread, eggs, and milk. You meet somebody you have never met before. Did the wife send you out to meet them? Or did you just happen to meet them while out to pick up bread, eggs, and milk.

That work better? That's the gist of most of Star Trek.

While on a mission to do XYZ, we encountered...
While on a mission to do ABC, we made contact...
While trying to do that, this happened...

And at various times, we even have that happen in STO...
The Enterprise was comissioned to explore.

More like the wife sent me out ot meet new people, but wanted me to pick up bread, egss and milk on the way.
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# 84
03-13-2012, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain_Collier
The Enterprise was comissioned to explore.

More like the wife sent me out ot meet new people, but wanted me to pick up bread, egss and milk on the way.
More like the wife married you so that you would do things for her. On tonight's episode, she's sending you to the store for bread, eggs, and milk. While there, you meet somebody new. The show will focus on exploring the nature of your character in relation to meeting this new person.

One week, it may be a case of meeting the adult film star in the parking lot that is having issues with her car.

One week, it may be a case of walking in on a robbery and trying to keep the situation cool.

One week, it may be a case of receiving the call from her while heading into the store that you also need to pick up a movie for the kids at Blockbuster. Once there, you find a single mother with three screaming kids that are out of control - a stark contrast to your Leave it to Beaver family at home.

Along those lines...
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# 85
03-13-2012, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain_Collier
The Enterprise was comissioned to explore.

More like the wife sent me out ot meet new people, but wanted me to pick up bread, egss and milk on the way.
You are confusing a mission statement or motto with actual performance. What the UFP appropriations committee was told the ships were built for need not bear any relation to how they end up actually used.

If the enterprise really did have orders as you suggest, namely 'boldly go' but pick up groceries on the way, the groceries would never get delivered. The secondary objective takes place in already explored space, and therefore is contrary to the primary objective.

The proprganda objectives aside, the purpose of the Enterprise is to carry out whatever orders Starfleet feel are most appropriate at the time. If they were really out exploring, they would pretty much never be 'the nearest ship,' let alone chosen for most of the missions they are given.
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# 86
03-14-2012, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kimmera
You are confusing a mission statement or motto with actual performance. What the UFP appropriations committee was told the ships were built for need not bear any relation to how they end up actually used.

If the enterprise really did have orders as you suggest, namely 'boldly go' but pick up groceries on the way, the groceries would never get delivered. The secondary objective takes place in already explored space, and therefore is contrary to the primary objective.

The proprganda objectives aside, the purpose of the Enterprise is to carry out whatever orders Starfleet feel are most appropriate at the time. If they were really out exploring, they would pretty much never be 'the nearest ship,' let alone chosen for most of the missions they are given.
One of the premises inherent in TNG is that most of the spaces that the TOS ships charted remained unexplored and that a lot of Federation territory, even some of it near Earth and Vulcan, was largely a mystery.
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# 87
03-14-2012, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Leviathan99
One of the premises inherent in TNG is that most of the spaces that the TOS ships charted remained unexplored and that a lot of Federation territory, even some of it near Earth and Vulcan, was largely a mystery.
Which systems 'near Earth and Vulcan' were a mystery? Diplomatic missions to known races are not 'exploration,' at least not in any conventional sense.
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# 88
03-14-2012, 01:22 AM
When we're at the topic of really bad analogies, how about this?
While on your way to the supermarket to fetch the groceries your wife asked for, you need to take a detour due to roadwork. On this detour you drive along a road you've never driven on before and find a really nice looking restaurant. And now the question is: did you discover the restaurant or did you not, even when not explicitly searching for a restaurant?
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# 89
03-14-2012, 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by baelturath
When we're at the topic of really bad analogies, how about this?
While on your way to the supermarket to fetch the groceries your wife asked for, you need to take a detour due to roadwork. On this detour you drive along a road you've never driven on before and find a really nice looking restaurant. And now the question is: did you discover the restaurant or did you not, even when not explicitly searching for a restaurant?
You really stop in and eat at an interesting restaurant when your wife sends you out for groceries? My guess is that you are divorced, and would be punted out of Star Fleet.

Yes, your analogy is really bad, lol.
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# 90
03-14-2012, 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by superchum View Post
I really think you trek fans need to hook up the old netflix and rewatch these episodes. You're forgetting the basic reason why the Enterprise existed.
Except we don't have control over the Enterprise. We have our own ships with different names, delegating different missions in the middle of a war. Some may be seeking new life, some might be on the front lines keeping track of the borders, some are doing explorations on anomalies. You don't need to be an uber-Trekkie to figure that out.

So why does 'boldly going' have to emphasize the entirety of Star Trek? Because we followed two ships and a space station in the entire series? That's a stagnation on what the Star Trek universe has to offer and I'm kind of glad that Cryptic has put us on a more militaristic front as it should be in the current timeline. It's a different spin on things.

Not everyone is going to mantle the Enterprise. As it should be.
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