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Thursday, March 15 - that's the day the new Odyssey and bortaS'qu advanced series come out. The tactical variants for both includes a console opening access to deploying a combat pet: the Aquarius-class escort and the Hoh'sus-class Bird of Prey.

Al Rivera appeared on the latest STOked podcast and revealed a few details. One was that we could only deploy saucer and escort one at a time. To keep exclusivity to the MVAM Prometheus console, we would not play as any of the separated vehicles either. One final detail was that the auxiliary ship console would not come with access to a playable version of the Aquarius escort, but that it might come as a separate ship obtainable at a later time (likely through C-Store). Also they were aiming to release a ship a month, so, they had more in store for us.

So, simply put, I really wish we could get a playable version of the Aquarius escort to become available for us to play as. I support the same for the Hoh'Sus, but it's not the ship I personally want for myself, so I leave it for others to campaign for.

Possible feature ideas:
  • Shuttle or Escort: The Aquarius seems about the same size as the Defiant, though less compact since it has nacelles deployed. I'm open to seeing it as a shuttle or escort myself, though direct translation of the combat pet into a playable shuttle would lean on the overpowered. In light of that, the 24 000 hull points the Aquarius has puts it about on par with the Tier 4 Defiant or the Tier 5 B'rel Retrofit, and the 50 crew that get pulled out of the Odyssey's crew pool (from 2500 to 2450) - making it a starship of its own appears feasible.
  • The Aquarius, as an Escort: The Aquarius is small. Screenshots obviously show its bulk to be lesser than the Defiant, despite the impressive 50 crew. It doesn't mean it's not somehow possible for it to be a ship of its own. The Defiant Retrofit is a 30-years old ship uprated to Tier 5 prowess, but the Aquarius could be a similar but more modern attempt at the same concept, especially considering the canonically shown effectiveness of Runabout-sized hardware. I don't get why a ship of that size would need 50 crew, but if they go for lodging like capsule hotels, they could fit.
  • The Aquarius' base capabilities: I'm personally not looking for the Aquarius to outdo the Defiant Retrofit. I actually think it's a pretty good base for her. To me, the Aquarius could be to the Defiant Retrofit what the Multi-Vector Advanced Escort became to the Advanced Escort - a slightly different configuration for the 'same ship'. The cloak, though, I think should remain unique to the Defiant Retrofit.
  • Cool goodies that might set out the Aquarius from other escorts:
    • Being able to switch from Odyssey to Aquarius, and vice versa, on the fly: Presently, we can go to our transporter room to switch ships and play any small craft we have in possession. But how cool would it be if we could switch to another ship without having to return to spacedock? This is the feature I personally am the most enthused about.
  • The Aquarius, and its quad cannons and point defense turret: Both mentioned items are available through the C-Store. I don't think the playable version, once purchased, needs to come with them (since those come with the Thunderchild and the Sao Paulo).

If you, the reader, support seeing the Aquarius becoming playable, chime in to this thread (though this isn't a petition: don't just "signed" or "+1", comment away) and feel free to add ideas on what you think the Aquarius should do/be. Heck, if the Aquarius becomes playable, chances are good the Hoh'Sus is coming along... so, don't be stingy, pro-KDF people.
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# 2
03-13-2012, 06:59 PM
I'd definitely buy it, even if it was just a side grade to something existing, like it mirrored the Defiant Retrofit but with a different console. It's absolutely gorgeous and it screams to be played.

I'm not sure the stances bit would work as a console, maybe an actual power like the spinal lance. For a console, maybe give her something nasty like purple engines with a really good turn rate?

Please cryptic. I want you to take my money.
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# 3
03-13-2012, 07:00 PM
In referencing the request for it, you could allude to the D'Kyr and the Tal'Kyr.

In the same light, I believe that the Vo'Quv should include the To'Duj without having to buy it. You have two hangars full of them, but you have to buy one to fly...tsk, tsk.
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# 4
03-13-2012, 07:24 PM
Nice Idea. *thumbs up*
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# 5
03-13-2012, 07:31 PM
Lol after I got on to test the new Odyssey Class Variants I looked on the C-store to see if they had an escort that matched the new Aquarius, but no. I would like to see the new escort added to the game at a later date, but after they release the Andorain imperial guard. Nice idea.!
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# 6
03-13-2012, 07:39 PM
Let me start.

No.

And now I continue ... as you mentioned just the Quad and PDS consoles are 2000 c-points that happens to be the cost of the Odyssey itself, removing them from the playable escort would just lead to cries about them being missing and the fact the Combat Pet and the Playable Escort would have different weapon/console configurations ...

Then comes the question of it being a T5 escort that is simply ... well ...

To start its current configuration is 2/3 frontal with 2/1 back, this puts it at T2-T3, a far cry from T5 and the stances are complete insanity ... not only at 30000 hull it would be as good as T5 escorts (and you just given it the exact same turn rate that the Fleet Escort with the nacelles folded) but at 20,000 hull it would just be slightly under the B'rel Retrofit hull but having 7 more points of turning over it ... a cost of 1just 1000 hull, sure you are not giving it Cloak but still, its giving it more turning that the Delta Flyer and less that of Peregrine.

As a small craft its simply too big and its simply too well armed and have too much crew (Tal'Kyr only have 25 crew), simply put this is not a small craft.
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# 7
03-13-2012, 08:10 PM
Drakon, are you in support of the Aquarius being a playable escort or not? Or are you just saying no at my ideas? Why be so negative instead of just stating what you'd prefer rather than putting other ideas down? (unless the message actually is: no, I do not want anyone in this game to ever pilot an Aquarius escort... but then, why?)

I mean, I'm throwing out stuff that might look cool, and not be the same as the escorts already available. There's no claim of being a balancing whizkid here.

Weapons needn't translate exactly from combat pet to playable ship either - there's a huge difference in power when you pilot a MVAM Prometheus Alpha section, and when you see one act as a pet... so I'm pretty certain we can survive the suspension of disbelief of seeing the Aquarius show as a Tier 4 or 5 ship.

Also, I actually paid for the Quad cannons and the Point Defense System with the Thunderchild and the Sao Paulo, so I see absolutely no reason why the Aquarius buyers should have a freebie there (also, I want Cryptic to make money - you want them? Go get them). Padding the price to include those in the Aquarius' purchase would also make it less attractive on their own. In any case, I also don't see how not having both of these items would be such a turn off on what is otherwise a wonderful looking ship.

The stances idea is just a way of illustrating (as examples) how changing nacelle configuration could present certain boosts, and I'm referring to the same methodology used for stat alterations on a player ship when saucer separating (or using MVAM). It doesn't have to have such a purpose since it could just be to becoming compact and dock in the Odyssey's aft reversed space but... the animation is there, it's something the ship model can do. It'd be one way of using it in a way different from the Intrepid-class. It was hardly a "the Aquarius must come with this" and more a "wouldn't it be cool if it was like that?" As for the stats, they were examples: I originally was going for 25k and 22 turn like a Bird of Prey for the Warp stance and then thought "why not make it more like a fighter?" just for kicks.

After all, Future 25th-century ship is a Future 25th Century ship. It's not like it's a mere shuttle shrugging off attacks from 2 klingon Negh'vars like Future Janeway. =P Though I could've seen the Aquarius also as a tough "Captain's Yatch" like shuttle who'se special quirk would've been to have an extra weapon slot (that way you could've fit in the Sao Paulo's quad cannons, phaser turret, quantum torp in it and adding the Thunderchild's Point Defense Console could've gone in one of the 3 console slots). That would've almost been like a starter ship.

Regardless, I don't want to make this a balancing discussion. Those specifics are up to the Devs. So, I updated the original post to convey the idea rather than the numbers you so focused on.
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# 8
03-13-2012, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoberraz View Post
*snip*
If you, the reader, support seeing the Aquarius becoming playable, chime in to this thread (though this isn't a petition: don't just "signed" or "+1", comment away) and feel free to add ideas on what you think the Aquarius should do/be. Heck, if the Aquarius becomes playable, chances are good the Hoh'Sus is coming along... so, don't be stingy, pro-KDF people.
Do I support this? Heck yes. Fundamentally, what you are proposing is the first new and original escort at Tier 5 since this game launched, which at this point is sorely needed.

...Personally, I'd like to see this released as a +1 escort at T5 similar in vein to the Prometheus MVAM. I'm no authority on ship balancing, but with the Defiant class unquestionably fitting the "Overgunned" niche and the MVAM bringing considerable science abilities to the escort table, I'd even be interested in seeing this one toting a Lieutenant Commander engineering position. I suppose it would come at the expense of the Ensign station that the fleet escort has (with an understandably weaker hull, considering her size) but it could make a great 'gun cutter'.

As for special abilities... Well, I honestly couldn't tell you. Quad cannons are obvious, but given they already come on the Sao Paulo (potentially damaging appeal for that ship if you were to make it available here too...) it might be a good platform with which to introduce some kind of torpedo ability, considering that was one of the three points stressed in its description.

...I really am rambling. Sufficed to say, I'd be happy to see this thing in game.
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# 9
03-13-2012, 08:26 PM
I'd love to see the Aquarius as a separate escort in game. I'd definitely buy it
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# 10
03-13-2012, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Koppenflak
Do I support this? Heck yes. Fundamentally, what you are proposing is the first new and original escort at Tier 5 since this game launched, which at this point is sorely needed.
I personally feel the LtC Engineering position would be better suited for the Akira Tier 5 Retrofit... but yeah, what you're saying just sunk in.

If the Aquarius was made playable, it'd be the first new and original escort since the game launched. Wow. Good point there.

Geez, I'm even more enthused about it now!
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