Oh nicely put LOL he he I can see it now, Pay to Win doesn't Pay !

Eh, right now you can totally take that person up on their challenge. Just use the Jem'Hadar shields in a way that pretty much invalidates PvP, and you're fine.

I have no problem with lateral shifts for the C-Store. That is, ships that are unusual and different, but roughly equal in power. Tactical retrofit, for example, is perfect -- it does things differently than the Fleet and Advanced Escort, but doesn't invalidate them.

Or consoles which, ideally, require trade-offs -- yeah, you COULD have 4 consoles on your ship, but then you don't have damage resistance, bonus to skills, bonus to power, etc.


That said, ships that are categorically better than every other similar choice, including choices you've paid for, is a very very very bad idea.

Pay to Win tends to involve PvP.
Pay to Win Faster tends to involve PvE.

Generally, it's about buying some advantage. The internet (various MMO sites) are riddled with discussions on P2W/F2P/et al... tends to be akin to a Ford vs. Chevy discussion with thermonuclear devices.

245 Dil per CP currently. 980,000 Dilithium. For a single toon, 8k a day, 122.5 days. Takes about 30-60 minutes to get the 8k Dil.

Course, the rate is going to continue to climb...as it has been.

Then something newer and better will be added...over and over.

Nobody really uses the phrase Pay to Win Faster. They just say Pay to Win. Just like people usually don't call this game a Freemium Model, they just say F2P.

You mean people are actually PVPing at the moment with that Jem'Hadar shield.. well.. at least real PVP'rs. The moment that shield came out and the glitch realized.. I found stepping into Space PVP to be pointless until a fix is released. But that is something worth complaining about lol.

Hate to advertise it but we tested it at pointblank range not moving and I got 30 million healing to the attackers 50K damage in a little under 2 minutes.. ridiculous.

I bet it would be really easy to tear an Odissey to peaces with my escort any time. Those cruisers have no chance against a god escort ou BOP.

at a rate of 250 per it is 1,000,000 dilithium
so at 8,000 a day its 125 days worth on one char
thou alts speeds that up a lot as the cap is so low

It's "kind of" pay to win. So long as we have the dilithium exchange, everything can be acquired through in-game means...even if by the time we can finally afford the Odyssey Bundle, our beards would have grown beards...

Thing is, in trying to grind out the 8k on 2-4+ toons turns it into a job...a job that pays somewhere between 20-40 cents an hour, lol.