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Okay lets get this out of the way. While YES the Oddesy is a nice CRUISER, thats what is is a CRUISER

Instead of just a rage post though, I'm going to break it down into why the Oddesy Varients suck

point one
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Ensign Universal, 1 Lieutenant Commander Universal

FOR EVERY SHIP thats the Boff spread.

yes even the tactical ship...

Point two of Fail

Hull Strength: 42,000
Maximum Warp: 9.996
Turn Rate: 6
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Shield Modifier: 1.15

Again, same for every ship. Hey escorts how do you like a 6 degree turn rate?

Whats this I hear, its an alternative to tactical ships in cruisers? Here's an Idea, BUY A CRUISER

And the Pen ultimate FAIL

your not buying a diffrent ship with each purchase...YOUR BUYING A CONSLE and an EXTRA SLOT TO PUT IT IN, plus tiny variations in power ((Big woop))

so your going to spend 2000 C points for a special little feature. and a slot to install it, a slot that probably will be used for something else.

Oh but the stats are so much better hull wise. you know what Cryptic

Don't buy 3 of the same car paint each one a diffrent shade of green and then say they are all diffrent cars

TL;DR
This is nothing more than a Cruiser, its not a science vessal, its not a Tactical vessal, its a Cruiser that does nothing more than give you a diffrent consle, one more slot, and lets you fly an enterprise wanabe.

Really.....Cryptic I know your hurting for cash but really I feel like this is some sort of joke

Instead of an 3 "TYPES" of the same ship, how hard would it be to make 3 "DIFFRENT" ships

How about the Vulcans, I know they have more than just ONE ship for research

Oh oh oh what about the Caitians, I heard they are pretty agressive.

the Federation is not just Earth/sol/Terran ships, its a combined group of planets each with their own little fleet that is part of a bigger whole

the IKS does it, why not the USS?

Hell if you can't find any, Make some up.

Oh I got one, A Vulcan ship named the I'Chep

It is a VA ship that doesn't have a support craft but because of this it can pack more Sciencythingies into it, it also has a larger crew compliment but is ussualy only staffed by high ranking science officers and Operations

Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Commander Science, 1 Lieutenant Enginering , 1 Commander science

Boom, a more science oriented ship than anything currently in the game,

Ofcourse thats me showing an outragous example but yea these oddy ships are not Science or Tactical, don't slap us in the face. Call it what it is.

A cruiser.
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# 2
03-14-2012, 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by william128
the Federation is not just Earth/sol/Terran ships, its a combined group of planets each with their own little fleet that is part of a bigger whole
whine much?

You do realize that Starfleet's ships are the combined efforts of ALL Federation races? In case you didn't know, I remember reading/hearing from somewhere, that there are Starfleet ships whose crews are mostly Vulcan, Andorian, etc. just like all the show's crews are mostly human.
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# 3
03-14-2012, 01:21 PM
I had to reply to this...

Just to confirm before i start......we all know its a cruiser......

With 3 varients.....

Dont put your hand in your pocket to buy them then .......Criptic isn't making you, im not making you.
Why the big drama about it.

And personaly i think (my opinion) sto is doing well for money at the moment with all the lock boxs.

And i also recon alot of people will buy this varient pack....i will.

Now as for your current comment at the bottom of your wall rant

"Of course thats me showing an outragous example but yea these oddy ships are not Science or Tactical, don't slap us in the face. Call it what it is.

A cruiser"
We still understand its a cruiser....that can be eng sci or tac....

Think before you type
Have a good day
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# 4
03-14-2012, 02:05 PM
I might drop coin on thevsci variant for one reason. The ens universal slot that the in game odyssey did not have. That plus sensor analysis could be good for a beam boat
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# 5
03-14-2012, 02:07 PM
Haters gonna hate.
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# 6
03-14-2012, 02:15 PM
Not sure I understand your complaint. Are you complaining that they are cruisers? Call me crazy, but I think that is by design. The 'tactical cruiser' is still a cruiser. They are not escorts or science ships (nor do I think that they should be). Personally, I don't like to fly cruisers, so I won't be opening my wallet/dilithium for this one. A new escort though...
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# 7
03-14-2012, 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey2013
We still understand its a cruiser....that can be eng sci or tac....

Think before you type
Have a good day
I did think, I have thought and no, cryptic won't get my money for this insult.

You just summed up my problem

Cruisers do the engi stuff, but not any more, by an oddesy and be a Tactical powerhouse !

What guns not your thing? well here lets give you science consles and repair bots, there ya go And cause your such a nice guy you get 4/4 guns!!!

Whats that you want to be a flying brick house with the power to withstand a doomsday device!? Here lets give you more cheese.

And if your arteries arn't clogged yet! you can take the "SPECIAL" Consles and put them all on one ship, and presto you can do everything any oddesy can and get buffs for it?

Whats this? Hmm the ships are nice and there is plenty of Boff Slots to goof around with....LETS MAKE ONE BE A LT.COM UNIVERSAL and an ENSIGN Universal! BUT WAIT instead of having the ships haev diffrent Boff priority (You know, instead of commmander enginering, switch it around) lets give it two lt. science/Tac. then a commander enginer.

Cryptic here's an Idea free of charge

Move the LT.commander universal to Commander universal,

Lower the Commander enginering to Lt.Commander <VARIENT> station

that means if you are flying the sci oddy, it becomes a Lt.Commander science
Flying the tactical? LT.COMM Tactical

I SWEAR on what ever you belive in if they had the same Boff line on a science ship. that looked something like

1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Commander Science, 1 Lieutenant Enginering, 1 Ensign Universal, 1 Lieutenant Commander Universal

I would buy it... OH WAIT THEY DO, AND I AM, its called the NEBULA

I'm serious, look at it, it gets one ensign universal vs the nebula's Mandatory science, and the LT commander is dropped to LT. universal.

It feels like a major letdown to every ship type other than cruiser players I'm sure there is balance somewhere for this ship but again its a horrible horrible Idea,

the whole issue I'm having is mainly the boff slots.

the ship itself I wouldn't give a flying rat about butt it just feels cheesy as hell

Hey, I'm all for Hybrid ship classes ((I'm buying the nebula FFS)) but when you have the same ship be a *******ization of itself, and leave two other classes of ships outi n the cold. you can bet I'm ****ed.
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# 8
03-14-2012, 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by william128
Okay lets get this out of the way. While YES the Oddesy is a nice CRUISER, thats what is is a CRUISER

Instead of just a rage post though, I'm going to break it down into why the Oddesy Varients suck

point one
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Ensign Universal, 1 Lieutenant Commander Universal

FOR EVERY SHIP thats the Boff spread.

yes even the tactical ship...

Point two of Fail

Hull Strength: 42,000
Maximum Warp: 9.996
Turn Rate: 6
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Shield Modifier: 1.15

Again, same for every ship. Hey escorts how do you like a 6 degree turn rate?

Whats this I hear, its an alternative to tactical ships in cruisers? Here's an Idea, BUY A CRUISER

And the Pen ultimate FAIL

your not buying a diffrent ship with each purchase...YOUR BUYING A CONSLE and an EXTRA SLOT TO PUT IT IN, plus tiny variations in power ((Big woop))

so your going to spend 2000 C points for a special little feature. and a slot to install it, a slot that probably will be used for something else.

Oh but the stats are so much better hull wise. you know what Cryptic

Don't buy 3 of the same car paint each one a diffrent shade of green and then say they are all diffrent cars

TL;DR
This is nothing more than a Cruiser, its not a science vessal, its not a Tactical vessal, its a Cruiser that does nothing more than give you a diffrent consle, one more slot, and lets you fly an enterprise wanabe.

Really.....Cryptic I know your hurting for cash but really I feel like this is some sort of joke

Instead of an 3 "TYPES" of the same ship, how hard would it be to make 3 "DIFFRENT" ships

How about the Vulcans, I know they have more than just ONE ship for research

Oh oh oh what about the Caitians, I heard they are pretty agressive.

the Federation is not just Earth/sol/Terran ships, its a combined group of planets each with their own little fleet that is part of a bigger whole

the IKS does it, why not the USS?

Hell if you can't find any, Make some up.

Oh I got one, A Vulcan ship named the I'Chep

It is a VA ship that doesn't have a support craft but because of this it can pack more Sciencythingies into it, it also has a larger crew compliment but is ussualy only staffed by high ranking science officers and Operations

Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Commander Science, 1 Lieutenant Enginering , 1 Commander science

Boom, a more science oriented ship than anything currently in the game,

Ofcourse thats me showing an outragous example but yea these oddy ships are not Science or Tactical, don't slap us in the face. Call it what it is.

A cruiser.
Cool story bro! Don't buy it and save another thread!
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# 9
03-14-2012, 02:37 PM
We know it's a cruiser. One is more tac leaning, one is more Science leaning, and the other is "pure" Eng. (using "pure" do to lack of better term, since I can't seem to get my brain moving today)

Look at the Escorts. The Fleet more Eng leaning then the MVAE, which is more sci leaning, the Defient-R and the AE are more "pure" tac (once again for lack of a better term).

Even other cruisers have small leanings towards sci, eng, and/or tac.

The Odys +1 just have heavier leanings towards those three types.
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# 10
03-14-2012, 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roche_Furman
We know it's a cruiser. One is more tac leaning, one is more Science leaning, and the other is "pure" Eng. (using "pure" do to lack of better term, since I can't seem to get my brain moving today)

Look at the Escorts. The Fleet more Eng leaning then the MVAE, which is more sci leaning, the Defient-R and the AE are more "pure" tac (once again for lack of a better term).

Even other cruisers have small leanings towards sci, eng, and/or tac.

The Odys +1 just have heavier leanings towards those three types.
DO the fleet escorts and the MVAE have the same Boff spread? No.

I'm all for leaning, but this is making a stright line and turning it to say its leaning.
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