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# 101
03-16-2012, 03:48 AM
Like they always say... vote with your wallet... So those kids that played that hot dog stand game in the 80's that put in a million dollars per hot dog are now working at Cryptic
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# 102
03-16-2012, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkusWright View Post

This game cannot survive on the few thousand people that either have loads of money, want to support Cryptic and will pay anything or have an incredible love of all things trek.
What if it can sustain on that? We may just not be part of those few thousand people...
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# 103
03-16-2012, 04:27 AM
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What if it can sustain on that? We may just not be part of those few thousand people...
Cryptic is now paying debts to perfect ripoffworld.
There is a long way to go to achieve that and every penny counts, subscribers are basicly doing charity everyday they play.

Cryptic does not get this microtransaction business at all, instead they installed macrotransactions to our wallets.
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# 104
03-16-2012, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by chakitty
I don't know about anyone else, but the Klingon's new Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser is way messed up in my opinion. It gets the autocannon AND 5 tactical console slots?! If the Odyssey Tactical Cruiser had that many tactical consoles and a powerful weapon console like that everyone would be screaming about how it's OP and unbalanced and everything. Give the Odyssey Tactical Cruiser 5 tactical console slots and the ability to use the spinal lance weapon or nix one tactical console from the Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser and change the autocannon console to something else that would still be quite useful. As is, the Klingon ship would be able to out class and out gun the Federation's new ship when they should be able to fight to a draw most of the time.
Did you test it on Tribble?

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I'm not worried, just a bit agrivated that they basically gave the Klink side a ship that can rip just about any Fed ship to shreads in just seconds. Add to it the subspace jump from the command Klink ship and it's even worse, add the third console and it's downright ugly. All three of those on the Klink's tactical ship with the proper consoles and it could probably take on any of the STF's by itself in Elite mode. The fact that none of the new Fed ships can do that with the console set and whatnot sends the balance even more in favor of the Klink ships. I'd bet that the Klink cruiser could take on a fleet of all three of the new Fed ships, each equiped with a set of the new consoles, and win without being taken down to half of it's Hull HP. That is definately OP and not right that the Fed ships don't get the same treatment.
DID YOU TEST IT ON TRIBBLE??????

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Sorry, I didn't have the time to create a Klink character and level him up to 50 before the ships were released for testing. And I don't create characters just to test one thing. So therefore, since I have yet to read any comments on the new Klink ships, all I can go on is how things look by the released descriptions. And that leads me to believe that the Klink's new ships and their consoles add up to an inbalance in favor of the Klinks.
NO, you didn't yet you still come out and cry "NERF" without even knowing what your talking about.

You are they type of player that makes others, like myself, not want to spend money on a ship or item that is sound in design but will be nerfed after the the fact becuase of fedplayer/KDF hate driven propaganda.

Had you bothered to even just Transfer a toon over to Tribble you would've learned that the ships, while powerful on paper, are not the OP boogeymen of Klingon nastyness you are blindly preaching them to be.

The Disruptor Autocannon can not be buffed by abilities and unlike the Galaxy Dreadnought and Phaser lance it is a DoT weapon mounted on a ship with a turnrate way too low to bring it to bear in combat easily. Coupled with its long cool down plus that 5.5 turnrate the only time you will see this thing fire is in a surprise attack. After that its useless, as all cannons except turrets will be on this vessel.

But please continue your littany of nerfs cries on a vessel that you did not even have time to test but find plenty of reasons and time to condemn without evidence to support your claims.

Other claim to not want to buy it due to price or the proliferation of P2W.
Me, I am holding off becuase players like you will have it nerfed due to conjecture and misguided concepts of balance based evidently from a blind hatred of the faction I enjoy in a game about Star Fleet that caters mainly to star fleet, that we Klingons are getting favortism from the Devs.
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# 105
03-16-2012, 05:16 AM
Awesome job on these ships, Cryptic! I can't decide which I want to purchase first, probably go with the Bortas since I tend to use my KDF characters for STFs and whatnot, while my Fed characters are purely for RP at this point.

Keep up the great work!
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# 106
03-16-2012, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by chakitty
Sorry, I didn't have the time to create a Klink character and level him up to 50 before the ships were released for testing. And I don't create characters just to test one thing. So therefore, since I have yet to read any comments on the new Klink ships, all I can go on is how things look by the released descriptions. And that leads me to believe that the Klink's new ships and their consoles add up to an inbalance in favor of the Klinks.
Then you have no experience with these ships and thus cannot call them OP. And I'm gonna be honest, I have had better success in my Ody right now than the bortaSqu' at the moment.

It gets irritating having people call our KDF and "Klingon" ships (I consider "Kink" an offensive / racist term, btw.) OP without any true understanding of their real limitations and abilities.
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I am still reading this post but i wanted to say that i do not think they will nerf either of these ships. How can they sell us a tier 6 escort if there is not an op cruisar out there to call for it. If your not that into cruisar i would wait because i would be surprised not to see a tier 6 or tier 5.5 escort/raptor in the works very soon.

Next i would like to say thankyou to PWE. They have saved my favorite game. Though i would preferr a more exclusive subscrip based player base i can get on board with the f2p if thats what it takes.

Thirdly, as a hobby, $50 bucks is not alot. Have any of you went golfing or bowling or even went to see a 3D movie lately.

I did test the engineering variant of the Bortusque. As with most of the premier ships in the past, the ship alone will not make or break the game. Its not that op. In the hands of a skilled player, it could turn the tides of a match.

Finally, its gotta stay fresh. Canon or not. So bring on the op, carnage dealing, defiant killer and sell us some new skins for it next month too. Keep me entertained and I will give you all the spare change I can find.
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# 108
03-16-2012, 07:35 AM
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I am still reading this post but i wanted to say that i do not think they will nerf either of these ships. How can they sell us a tier 6 escort if there is not an op cruisar out there to call for it. If your not that into cruisar i would wait because i would be surprised not to see a tier 6 or tier 5.5 escort/raptor in the works very soon.

Next i would like to say thankyou to PWE. They have saved my favorite game. Though i would preferr a more exclusive subscrip based player base i can get on board with the f2p if thats what it takes.

Thirdly, as a hobby, $50 bucks is not alot. Have any of you went golfing or bowling or even went to see a 3D movie lately.

I did test the engineering variant of the Bortusque. As with most of the premier ships in the past, the ship alone will not make or break the game. Its not that op. In the hands of a skilled player, it could turn the tides of a match.

Finally, its gotta stay fresh. Canon or not. So bring on the op, carnage dealing, defiant killer and sell us some new skins for it next month too. Keep me entertained and I will give you all the spare change I can find.
With a hobby you usually have something to show for your purchase and it is yours forever until you decide to get rid of it, but with a virtual item it is only there as log as the server is up. If STO closes next month everyone loses all their investments.

A an MMO store should be about small transaction not large ones. Most people who were unwilling to pay $15 a month will not shove out $25 or $50. There are people who were wiling to put out money for a subscription, but will not be willing to put out this kind of money especially if it does not add content. If buy an expasion pack from LOTRO for those prices I get tons of content, 3 mounts, 3 outfits, some item. to improve my stats, and a house.

These ship are nowhere worth the price. The ships actually seem incomplete and after waiting so long for them they should have had new interiors made for them.
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# 109
03-16-2012, 07:52 AM
I still feel that the price for the new ships is relatively fair, being that the game is free to play, now.

I say relatively fair because it is still very expensive. Fair for F2P customers, yes, but perhaps not so fair for anyone who pays a subscription to the game for gold service.

It would be my opinion that gold players should either be charged less (which won't happen since so many have already bought it and there would be a backlash from them if the price was suddenly dropped so soon without any compensation given to them.) or they should be given more bang for their buck (which would be easier. Cryptic would not have to waver on their no refund policy by just retroactively giving the gold players the same extras for purchasing the ships at full price.)
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# 110
03-16-2012, 08:13 AM
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Don't tend to post very often on here - but the prices of this ship (and it is one ship really) are outrageous. It would cost 32 pound here to by the bundle, or 48 god forbid you could only afford one now and wanted all the abilities later on.

I bought Arkham city for 29.99, my weekly fuel bill is 45 and i usually spend about 60 at the supermarkets for a weeks food. Does one ship with 3 clickable powers that last for 30 seconds or so really seem in proportion to any of the above? For something that is essentially a "microtransaction" and only "designed to enhance a player's game experience without changing game balance."

It's crackers.

I appreciate people have the right to spend what ever they want on things, but please have a bit of foresight, paying completely disproportionate prices for a product will only encourage the supplier to keep selling at that rate.

This game cannot survive on the few thousand people that either have loads of money, want to support Cryptic and will pay anything or have an incredible love of all things trek.

Bottom line is when people arrive to play this game because they like a bit of trek and fancy a good MMO game (which you could guess would be Cryptics target audience considering the lack of features aimed at the hardcode trekkie RPG player), if they say "whats the best ship?" and you answer with "the Odyssey, and it's about 30", they are going to tell you to do one. Not only that, but when they see all these "superior" ships in the C-store, what sort of value will they attribute to the free ones?

I'm thinking about the longevity of this game, the business model seems to be a case of get a player in, burn as much money as possible out of them, and wave them away as they get bored and bugger off. Repeat over the next 3 years until there really isnt many customers left, and then shut the game down.

Cynical i know, but having played this game since closed-beta, it guts me to see it constantly having no direction other than "how can we increase the balance sheet" every quarter. There are some great devs that are doing great things for the game, but it's kinda worthless if a potential first impression of your product is "that's a rip off"
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Well said sir. Well said.
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