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# 1 Odyssey Bundle buyers guide
03-18-2012, 06:34 AM
Things the buyer should know before buying the pack-

Let's talk about value. All 3 ships for the price of 2. It would be ok to me if the 3 classes had visual differences and more individuality. The best one of the 3 in my eyes is the tactical. But if you want a ship that's about on level with the oddy-t, and dont like the looks of the oddy; then galaxy-x is a better choice. If you were to buy just one of the 3 though. I'd say the oddy-t is the one to have, everyone says how OP sensor analysis is; you get a 33% increase in damage basically when an ability when active, with oddy-t having an extra tac console you get 26% all the time (this is my reasoning).

Key points I've noticed
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1. Ships come in 3 crates, like the free one did.

Makes it easier if you have to move ships around or buy more slots.

2. You cannot use saucer sep AND escort ability at the same time.

I dont see why not... both are fairly worthless and die too fast

3. You cannot control the escort or saucer.

I don't understand why we dont have the controls klingon carriers do. So if you're attacking a ship with a large warp core explosion say bye bye to your pet.

4. Worker bees can be used on other people and is basically another 343hp/sec over 10 sec repair. (3430 hp)

Can come in handy, I wish it did a slight shield repair too...

5. If you change instances with Escort or saucer active it cant follow you. Perhaps no warp engine?

Galaxy one does... why cant these

6. The set bonus is hardly noticed on a tactical odyssey over a gal-x with borg console+shield capacity console.

There's no 'wow' factor here. Not at all...

7. There are no visual changes over the free odyssey that I can see.

Instead of making a shuttle no one uses why cant you put the artist teams on variants. I expected each variant to differ from the other in looks.

8. Tactical Odyssey can be set up exactly like galaxy-x.

Only differences are you lose cannon fitting and spinal ability and you gain a science console and alot of hull. And your lt com engineer and ensign tactical boff slots are universal. You can transfer boffs directly over to Odyssey. Another complaint is the abilities need resorted.

9. While your escort is active the picture on ship status menu is bugged.

Minor glitch, but you'd think they would have figured that one out.

10. Saucer sep makes the oddy fairly decent on handling.

But brings hull hp down to around Galaxy-x levels. Saucer looks to have tractor beam... but worthless otherwise and you only really use it to fly this cruiser almost on par handling with excelsior.

11. I have not confirmed this but sensor analysis and sensor scan (science capt ability) can stack.

I cannot confirm this as sensor analysis does not work for me on my science hull.

12. You get a large ship feeling... with the tactical cruiser you have the battleship feel.

Saucer sep takes some of that battleship feeling.

13. Other than console layout and the science having another ability and power distribution; there is no difference in BOFF layout. All have the same 3 uni/2 uni/2 tac/4 engi/2 science.

14. As a science officer in science Oddy Sensor analysis does not show up in P menu. The way it is stated in the c-store leads me to believe its an ability. This is with all 3 consoles installed.

15. When a pet dies the ability can remain active.

This delays restarting the timer. As there is no way to really tell where the pets are. Saucer sep I can see not resetting. But the escort ability should reset as soon as it dies... which is instantly.

16. Maco engine effects are still too far into the warp nacelles.
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# 2
03-18-2012, 06:40 AM
+26 on a tac console doesn't mean 26%.
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# 3
03-18-2012, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Issueman
2. You cannot use saucer sep AND escort ability at the same time.

I dont see why not... both are fairly worthless and die too fast

3. You cannot control the escort or saucer.
This was to make sure that the MVAM wasn't replaced by this ship as they said it's a support vessel rather than an attack ship.
I have to disagree about the Aquarius though, I've gone for the Operations Cruiser build and the Aquarius escort has done me proud on many occasions.


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5. If you change instances with Escort or saucer active it cant follow you. Perhaps no warp engine?
I agree with this but I think that it's more of a bug than anything intentional.

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7. There are no visual changes over the free odyssey that I can see.
The only visual I've noticed is the inclusion of the Aquarius on the Tac ship but other than that it is just another Odyssey ship really and the free one is technically the NX version.

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Instead of making a shuttle no one uses why cant you put the artist teams on variants. I expected each variant to differ from the other in looks.
It's not a shuttle though, it's an escort that has more in common with the Defiant than anything else. Like I say I really like it and find it very useful compared to what you get with the NX Ody.

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9. While your escort is active the picture on ship status menu is bugged.

Minor glitch, but you'd think they would have figured that one out.
Yeah I saw that as well. But to be fair it will get patched sooner or later.

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10. Saucer sep makes the oddy fairly decent on handling.

But brings hull hp down to around Galaxy-x levels. Saucer looks to have tractor beam... but worthless otherwise and you only really use it to fly this cruiser almost on par handling with excelsior.
I don't bother with the saucer, it's nicely animated but not really yet useful to me.
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# 4
03-18-2012, 07:38 AM
shuttle= the new shuttle they put out before the shuttle FE mission...

escort dies WAY too easily to be useful... not to mention damage is lacking.

Mvam is an escort, odyssey is a cruiser.... how would oddy replace mvam that does MUCH more damage...
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# 5
03-18-2012, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DenizenVI
+26 on a tac console doesn't mean 26%.
the tac consoles are actually 26% not 26, just go in the game and look at one
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# 6
03-18-2012, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by xixboneheadxix
the tac consoles are actually 26% not 26, just go in the game and look at one
A +26% tac console buffs your damage by approx 6.5-7%
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# 7
03-18-2012, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Issueman
escort dies WAY too easily to be useful... not to mention damage is lacking.

Mvam is an escort, odyssey is a cruiser.... how would oddy replace mvam that does MUCH more damage...
I personally don't have a problem with the escort like I say, I think that it's fine the way it is and flying an operations cruiser I can keep it alive long enough to do some damage. At the end of the day it's an add-on to the ship not an additional ship and I prefer it to saucer separation.

It's about function more than how much damage they do. The Devs have said multiple times that they don't want to take that away from the MVAM.
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# 8
03-18-2012, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy_Wolf
This was to make sure that the MVAM wasn't replaced by this ship as they said it's a support vessel rather than an attack ship.
I have to disagree about the Aquarius though, I've gone for the Operations Cruiser build and the Aquarius escort has done me proud on many occasions.
I will bring this up again.

The Odyssey pays with TWO consoles what the M//VAE gets with ONE and the M/VAE gets to choose what part you want to use as in the Odyssey is Stardrive only.

Another difference, the M/VAE Alpha and Beta sections have II abilities as the Aquarius have I abilities,

And I am not going into Chevron Separation as there is certainly a improvement with maneuverability it also (naturally) costs shields and hull.

And of course there is the fact the M/VAE is the only escort with separation.

As for the Aquarius making you proud ... run it with Borg, it dies fast (were the saucer section appears to survive much longer).


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The only visual I've noticed is the inclusion of the Aquarius on the Tac ship but other than that it is just another Odyssey ship really and the free one is technically the NX version.
No, all new Odyssey ships have the exact same hull ... if you dont have the Aquarius console equipped you still see it docked in the back.

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Wolf
IIt's about function more than how much damage they do. The Devs have said multiple times that they don't want to take that away from the MVAM.
Yet the M/VAE takes away from the Galaxy-R ... and the Galaxy-X takes away from the Defiant-R and will also take from the Galaxy-R and Odyssey.

The M/VAE is not a sacred cow that cannot be touched, as it stands its the only escort with separation that should be ability for cruisers and select science ships.

They can say that all they want but in the end I would be paying for TWO consoles a ability that would not even come close to Multi-Vector Assault Module, right now I am paying for ability I cannot use AT ALL if I am using the other.
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# 9
03-18-2012, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron
The Odyssey pays with TWO consoles what the M//VAE gets with ONE and the M/VAE gets to choose what part you want to use as in the Odyssey is Stardrive only.

Another difference, the M/VAE Alpha and Beta sections have II abilities as the Aquarius have I abilities,

And I am not going into Chevron Separation as there is certainly a improvement with maneuverability it also (naturally) costs shields and hull.

And of course there is the fact the M/VAE is the only escort with separation.


Yeah, they did it this way because they didn't want to create a cruiser M/VAE which is exactly what I'm saying. I'm just paraphrasing what the devs have been saying since the topic came up.

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As for the Aquarius making you proud ... run it with Borg, it dies fast (were the saucer section appears to survive much longer).
I've run it in the Elite STFs against Borg and personally have no problem with it. Like I say it does me proud for what it is.
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# 10
03-18-2012, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron
IAs for the Aquarius making you proud ... run it with Borg, it dies fast (were the saucer section appears to survive much longer).
MVAE sections die to the first cube explosion if they manage to survive that long.
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