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# 1081
11-02-2012, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by voporak View Post
Here's just a hypothetical STF in the days immediately following S7:

I start a new CSE pug with four other people, and enter to realize they're all tacs except for one engineer and all are using the Vesta but me. So I say hi as usual and then the oddest thing happens: one Vesta stays at the Kang and the others almost coordinatedly fly each to one of the cubes. I head to the middle probes and start blasting away at them, as the rainbowskittle Vesta is doing almost nonexistant dps (not to mention he's shooting at a top probe with the bottom one still intact). I blow the one below him for amusement, and get it when it takes him two minutes to take down 50% of the probe's health. Meanwhile, I notice the optional has just failed five minutes into the STF and turn around to see the Kang swarmed and the three very colorful Vestas popping like popcorn... against BoPs. As I fly back there to try and save the Kang, I hear an explosion behind me and then see that the guy shooting the probes just got destroyed in three seconds by the Negh'var he spawned. He then says "what happened this ships supposed to be indestructable" and I facepalm.

So while these loonies are in respawn oblivion, I manage to clean up after them at the Kang. I fly off back to the middle probes and start destroying them as one person says "hey lets all guard kang". The four Vetsafails all join together at the Kang and I decide to have a little fun with them. I blow all the probes in the center then quickly run to the right and let the Negh'var fly to the Kang. As I'm destroying the right probes, I see wave after wave of BoP go past me, then all four of these guys' pictures on the team status go gray within a few seconds. I figure the Negh'vars must have chugged on over there and isometric charged them. I fly back to the Kang and again clean up the mess they left. One of them says "hey vaporak why dont you help out". I decided to 'help out'

First, I destroy all bottom probes on the left and right, then charge all my buffs for the top ones (you can see where this is going). In quick succession, I blow all six of the top probes, blow a cube, and let Raptors and Negh'vars swarm the Kang. These rainbow and skittle boats didn't stand a chance. They explode, the Kang's destroyed, and then the funniest line of the entire match...
"oh my gosh there must be a bug in these ships well just have to wait for cryptic to fix them in a patch"



I hope you enjoyed my theoretical post-S7 CSE story.
Not theoretical - it WILL happen.

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# 1082
11-02-2012, 01:51 AM
It will happen, because it happened before :-P
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# 1083
11-06-2012, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by luxchristian View Post
It will happen, because it happened before :-P
It still does - hardly unusual - had an instance last night where there was a rainbow-Regent in an otherwise good team. It's almost a pity when this happens, as the rest of the team being good probably results in the rainbow-boat player thinking that his build is effective.

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# 1084
11-06-2012, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by reyan01 View Post
It still does - hardly unusual - had an instance last night where there was a rainbow-Regent in an otherwise good team. It's almost a pity when this happens, as the rest of the team being good probably results in the rainbow-boat player thinking that his build is effective.
Yeah, but one lesser useful player in 5 is a good quote for a PUG. Even in the usual premade group I'm flying with there is one worthless player with a crap and laggy PC ;-) But it is a fun guy on Skype :-P (And only a game)

More annoying than rainbow warriors are the player who like to stay 10km away from generators, cubes, spheres etc. I mean trolling the gate at 9km is ok when you are on probe duty. But not when you should shoot it down. Or when the target doesn't have any weapons xD Or the ADHD escorts who must shoot at every nanite transformer with tricobalt devices and mines -.-
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# 1085
11-06-2012, 08:10 AM
Last time on STO: The STF Idiocy

Quote:
Here's just a hypothetical STF in the days immediately following S7:

I start a new CSE pug with four other people, and enter to realize they're all tacs except for one engineer and all are using the Vesta but me. So I say hi as usual and then the oddest thing happens: one Vesta stays at the Kang and the others almost coordinatedly fly each to one of the cubes. I head to the middle probes and start blasting away at them, as the rainbowskittle Vesta is doing almost nonexistant dps (not to mention he's shooting at a top probe with the bottom one still intact). I blow the one below him for amusement, and get it when it takes him two minutes to take down 50% of the probe's health. Meanwhile, I notice the optional has just failed five minutes into the STF and turn around to see the Kang swarmed and the three very colorful Vestas popping like popcorn... against BoPs. As I fly back there to try and save the Kang, I hear an explosion behind me and then see that the guy shooting the probes just got destroyed in three seconds by the Negh'var he spawned. He then says "what happened this ships supposed to be indestructable" and I facepalm.

So while these loonies are in respawn oblivion, I manage to clean up after them at the Kang. I fly off back to the middle probes and start destroying them as one person says "hey lets all guard kang". The four Vetsafails all join together at the Kang and I decide to have a little fun with them. I blow all the probes in the center then quickly run to the right and let the Negh'var fly to the Kang. As I'm destroying the right probes, I see wave after wave of BoP go past me, then all four of these guys' pictures on the team status go gray within a few seconds. I figure the Negh'vars must have chugged on over there and isometric charged them. I fly back to the Kang and again clean up the mess they left. One of them says "hey vaporak why dont you help out". I decided to 'help out'

First, I destroy all bottom probes on the left and right, then charge all my buffs for the top ones (you can see where this is going). In quick succession, I blow all six of the top probes, blow a cube, and let Raptors and Negh'vars swarm the Kang. These rainbow and skittle boats didn't stand a chance. They explode, the Kang's destroyed, and then the funniest line of the entire match...
"oh my gosh there must be a bug in these ships well just have to wait for cryptic to fix them in a patch"



I hope you enjoyed my theoretical post-S7 CSE story.
And now the conclusion.
(Again, these events did not actually happen (yet))


So after that horrendous CSE, I decide to go for a KASE. Bad idea, in the extreme...

I enter with the four other people, and look around to see two Vestas (one is a tac captain, the other is a sci), a Vo'quv (engineer), and a Recluse (tac). We all go up to the tactical cube and no sooner had we than (let's just call him Da Troll) rears his ugly head. Da Troll happens to be the tac in the Recluse. He starts spouting about how we have to listen to his orders if we want to win, meanwhile he's spamming his fighters and doing nothing with his beam arrays. As he shouts what to do at us, I notice a heavy plasma torpedo creeping up behind him and I quietly laugh. I say, "Excuse me, does your plan include watching out for heavy plasmas?" Da Troll says something bleeped and tells me he'll take care of the cube all by himself. He flies up to it again after respawning as I break away, and is promtply destroyed by a heavy plasma at point blank range. This time, I say "buddy, I really don't think you should be telling us what to do."

We eventually destroy the tactical cube, with Da Troll waiting to respawn again. As his timer is counting down, he's flipping out as I kindly explain to the other players that the Atrox and the sci with the Vesta should work on one group of generators while the tac Vesta guards the left probes and I get the right. Da Troll finally gets out of respawn oblivion and screams how we're doing it all wrong. I ask him what's the problem, and he says "we have to get rid of all the cubes first!" Just like with the Negh'vars in my CSE I have some fun with him.

After telling the other Vesta to guard the right probes for me (which he goes to do), I proceed to spawn all four cubes and drag them right up to Da Troll. I say "ok, I got the cubes for you. Now since you obviously run this strategy on a regular basis, get rid of them." I hit evasive manuvers and fly back to relieve the sci Vesta which is doing poorly at guarding (we already lost the optional by the timer). As I settle back into destroying the probes, Da Troll's team status icon goes gray. He makes like an airhorn and starts yelling his lungs out, "voporak your such a noob whydid you get all four cubes" and one of the other players finally speaks up "Hey you shouldn't talk like that, it was your idea"

I somehow convince Da Troll to guard my right probes and I'll take care of the cubes. One cube goes boom, followed in a few minutes by three more. Then I tear through the generators and transformers on both sides and mop up Da Troll's probes (he has let three go thorugh already) and then with the help of the two people not guarding probes, we blow the left gate and then I tell the tac Vesta to help out Da Troll with the oncoming spheres. And we blow through the right gate, without failing the mission. Da Troll has been screaming all this time how he can't believe he has to do our noob work for us since we can't even do the mission without him.

Donatra appears, Da Troll can't wait to get his grubby little paws within 5km of her. I stop shooting so that he can get the aggro and make Donatra cloak. Da Troll says "stupid noobs you made her cloak". As he fires his keyboard off like a cannon, Donatra decloaks directly behind his space whale. He rails on one more time about how we are such noobs and we'll never finish the mission. He respawns, making suicide runs up to Donatra (which thankfully never results in her cloaking again). After about 45 minutes into the STF with this troll, we defeat Donatra. And then he screams "ALL I GOT WAS ANOTHER STUPID BORG LOOT THINGY I CANT USE THEM ANYWERE" and finally he says "i threw it away because its useless and i got no real loot thanks to you noobs" and he warps away. Good riddance.

I do a facepalm, laugh very hard, and say "good game" into the chat, to which I get friendly "gg"s back.


I can't wait until I actually get an STF with a troll like that. They make the PUGs interesting.
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# 1086
11-06-2012, 08:20 AM
Couple notes. I strapped doing stf last month and came back when they announce season 7 nerfed the drops and rewards. When did people start using Melee weapons in elite stf and not use a single gun? And did the elite channel implode? I have more problems with elite channel matches. Most recently in ige at the end we get the generator down and Becky comes out. They all start shooting the drones that have respawned and ignore her. Then when the team is dead they yell we are too slow in killing the spawns. Did it change that when she comes out just nail her and get out dodging spawns and collect loot?
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# 1087
11-06-2012, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by joenatl View Post
Couple notes. I strapped doing stf last month and came back when they announce season 7 nerfed the drops and rewards. When did people start using Melee weapons in elite stf and not use a single gun?
Melee combat got a buff a little while back and has become an effective way of dealing with Heavys and Elites in ground STFs - particularly for Sci's who can heal themselves/cure nanite attacks.

The thing is, you really only need one - at the very most, two melee players because a) they can only engage one target at a time and b) their role is more to aggro the most dangerous Borg than outright kill them.

The problem's arisen though that many Tacs are now playing melee because they get decent combat modifiers and I guess because it's 'cool' - they charge in and you end up with more than half the team attacking one (admittedly dangerous) target whilst the remainder of the Borg wander around killing teammates.

As a Sci/Tank/Healer on ground STFs, it's all becoming a bit tedious to be honest and I'm thinking of going back to my Eng or Tac simply so I'm not contributing to what's become a real problem...
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There I was...

I said 'HI' as usual.

CSN

I flew over to the right and once again, four ships flew to the Kang.

I typed "Oh Goody"

I start killing probes.

I chase down a BOP real quick and see that all four of the other ships have Technicolor/Rainbow beams so I kill all the BOPS that they can't.

I fly back and kill the first cube.

Optional goes Bye Bye.

I get mad and type 'Lose those technicolor/rainbow beams'

Somebody says 'We're out shooting you!'

I say 'ROFLMAO'

Kang goes boom.

That's the story of my day today.
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# 1089
11-06-2012, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by reyan01 View Post
Absolutely!

You just know that there'll be rainbow-Vesta's all over the place for a start....
and that is gonna be so so so so sad. I mean I never was a fan of cruisers in stfs, but with the oddy you could make miracles happen, it is such a great cruiser, it could deal so great dmg if built well.
however whenever I see one entering to an stf, I start to feel ragequit creeping into my mind (even at start ).

and I feel (fear) that the Vesta is going to end up like this. however as it will be equipped with cannons this might make ppl use cannons (not that I have not seen my share of rainbow beam escort warriors) at least.
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# 1090
11-06-2012, 03:50 PM
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(Again, these events did not actually happen (yet))
Problem with that story is.

1) Vesta is season 7 locked meaning there will be no Prototype Deflectors when the Vesta rolls out in the Zen Store.
2) Nobody is THAT stupid.
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