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not sure where skill is in that equation, of course power value and active bonuses are a constant for this but...
Perhaps someone could test this by tooltip checks same: weapon power, no active bonuses
post results with different console mod and different mark/rarity:
EG: MK X white, no console
MK X white, 1 console
MK XI white, no console
... MK XI Green ....
MK XI Blue
or post a link to similar testing, or a dev post explaining the formula etc.
I'd like to see some proven raw maths rather than just: it works like this.
Search pvp forums for the thread it is likely extremely buried but that is how it works. If you choose not to believe me or test it for yourself I care not.
It will take seconds to verify. Equip Mk 1 weapon and Mk 10 weapon then see how much flat DPV the console adds. It will be the same exact flat number at 50 wpn power.
Having to put up with Rainbow/Technicolor boats pretty much daily in assorted STF's, I would have to say Numbers Shnumbers. First hand views say Rainbow/Technicolor weapons are pathetically weak regardless of the math. Sure they can be beefed up a little in the hands of someone who really knows how to build a ship but they still can't out do the single weapons type boats.
If you insist on running rainbows, good luck. You'll need it.
Having to put up with Rainbow/Technicolor boats pretty much daily in assorted STF's, I would have to say Numbers Shnumbers. First hand views say Rainbow/Technicolor weapons are pathetically weak regardless of the math. Sure they can be beefed up a little in the hands of someone who really knows how to build a ship but they still can't out do the single weapons type boats.
If you insist on running rainbows, good luck. You'll need it.
That's like saying 4 tac console escorts can't out do the 5 tac console ones.
Look I'm not saying they are good or disputing that morons mostly fly them. I'm just saying it gets harped on far too heavily compared to other things that are mathematically similar in their under performance.
That's like saying 4 tac console escorts can't out do the 5 tac console ones.
Look I'm not saying they are good or disputing that morons mostly fly them. I'm just saying it gets harped on far too heavily compared to other things that are mathematically similar in their under performance.
They had fail builds. Even if they were using all the same type of weapon they still would have put out pathetically bad damage.
I don't see people flipping out over 'OMG he was in a steamrunner instead of a defiant NOOB needs a 5th tac console' or 'OMG he wasn't in an escort/warship but in an oddessy/assault cruiser/DSSV' even though those are the same level of difference in damage output, many times more so.
But hey if someone wants to fly a cruiser I don't care, nor do I care if it uses rainbow beams, for two simple reasons. First, unless I'm on an under developed alt I will simply carry them. Secondly crap builds are crap no matter the ship or weapon types and attacking someone on their preference be it techno beams or cruiser hull will do nothing to improve their build.
Perhaps informing them hey if you run at max weapon power and then over-cap that with an emergency power to weapons and rotate that with emergency power to shields in your rainbow boat they will both deal significantly more damage and have greater survivability would work better.
First hand views say Rainbow/Technicolor weapons are pathetically weak regardless of the math.
rainbow weapons are exactly the same as normal weapons... thats the point, they are normal weapons, just not a single type
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Originally Posted by jake81499
Sure they can be beefed up a little in the hands of someone who really knows how to build a ship but they still can't out do the single weapons type boats.
If you insist on running rainbows, good luck. You'll need it.
noone disputed that you can outdo single weap type boats. the point was, that the difference between them is lower than most people think (pls check bareel's post about this), and there is no reason why rainbow builds should deal 1,3k dps in an stf, while they could easily pull 3k (and if they applied themselves the same should be capable of 6k, and even that would not be the top), if it wasnt for the captains, who dont listen to nothing.
also to stop my off streak, here is a frustrating one:
so I wanted to test my new build, so I load up an ISE pug. what we end up with, is one guy missing the whole game, and one guy afk or something (he pulled 300 dps, so I dunno what happened there, but he was flying around the end battle, so he might have been just afraid to pull aggro).
one guy was dealing "good" (5k) dps, and the other guy was meh (3k). this is not such a problem, but in both instances someone blew generators early, so I had to go out of my way to grav well probes. after the cube popped, noone aggroed it, but someone was yelling at us why we are attacking the gate, which resulted in me attacking the gate, one guy on the cube, one guy indecisive and one guy who dealt 300 dps somewhere out there beneath the pale moonlight.
fortunately the two guys managed to pull the cube near to the gate, so now it could attack me too, so I had to play hide n seek with the gate and the cube too.
in the end we did finish within the optional (it dont have no meaning at this point tho, if it takes 13 mins to finish an stf it aint a good game, esp not ise), but boy I was frustrated having to carry them ppl, while I only wanted to test a frakking build
You can run all the Rainbow/Technicolor weapons you want. I don't really care. You can try all day long to convence me and the others who have posted their experiances here that Rainbow/Technicolor weapons are as good as normal weapons. But I've yet to see one in action that could out gun a normal boat regardless of the math. And I've done THOUSANDS of STF's. So good luck with your efforts.
Once again....
There I was...
Today, CSN.
I PUG in and say 'HI' as usual.
Three others say 'HI'
I fly right, a Klink flys left and three fly off to the Kang.
I'm working on nodes at cube #1 and here comes a Rainbow/Technicolor boat.
He starts on a node by himself.
I finish off four nodes before he kills the one.
I buzz over and kill his too.
Off to Cube 2.
The Technicolor/Rainbow guy follows.
He starts on a node and I start on a different node.
I finish three before he kills his.
I finish his and work with him on the rest.
Off to cube three.
The Klink has finished all the nodes and is working on the Cube.