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# 311
03-23-2012, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cheer View Post
Well, as much as I think many of us here had some great points to bring up to JamJamz, the thread has (as they are wont to do) gone off the rails with lunatics calling for a dev's termination, etc.

This is why we can't have nice discussions with the dev on topics like this. Thank you, lunatics.
When a dev talks down to players lies to us openly by stating things we know to be untrue attacks star trek and us fans as a whole yeah we tend to be upset dont like it to bad for you.
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# 312
03-23-2012, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by JamJamz View Post
If I spend time fixing older ships, people that want T5 ships will complain.
If I spend time making Klingon ships, Federation players will complain.
If I spend time making Federation ships, Klingon players will complain.
If I spend time making neutral ships, faction purists will complain.
If I spend time making C-Store ships, people that don't want to give us money will complain.
If I spend time making non C-Store ships, people that spent money on ships will complain.
If I spend time adding variants to older ships, people with "better" ships that have minimal variants will complain.
If I spend time making Tactical ships, Engineering and Science players will complain.
If I spend time making Engineer ships, Science and Tactical players will complain.
If I spend time making Science ships, Tactical and Engineer players will complain.
If I spend time making starbases, players will complain about not having ships.
If I spend time making variants, players will complain about the lack of new ships.
If I spend time making new ships, players will complain about the lack of new variants.
If I spend time making NPC ships, players will complain about not enough content.
If I spend time making anything but ships, players will complain about a lack of ships.
If I spend time making new T5 ships, players that want ancient ships will complain.
If I spend too much time making any ships, my producers complain.
If I spend time making a ship, players will complain that it's not the ship they wanted.



As you see, I cannot win. This thread is evidence of that!
By this logic what is the point of any new additions to the game? The new +1 ships came out despite this kind of thinking. How do they fit into this scheme of things?

You CAN win JJ, if you PAY enough. If nothing else STO has taught us that. You're new here but I'm sure it won't take you long to figure it out.

The reason you and other developers are met with fiery brands and pitchforks wherever you go is not down to the fickle, self-serving nature of gamers as you and your ilk would so dearly love to believe. The problem is that you pretend to us that you have our interests at heart and yet every action you make is a blatant, unashamed cash-grab aimed only at swelling your own coffers and appeasing the Asian Gold Farmers that sit as your overseers. This in itself is bad enough but it gets worse. By constantly allowing your mouths (or in the case of the fora, fingers) to try to convince us otherwise you really just insult our intelligence. You are essentially telling us we are too stupid to see what is going on. Over and over again.

Not nice, "brah", not nice.
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# 313
03-23-2012, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Floridaguy74656 View Post
When a dev talks down to players lies to us openly by stating things we know to be untrue attacks star trek and us fans as a whole yeah we tend to be upset dont like it to bad for you.
No, too bad for you that you are so detached from reality.

Do you REALLY think PWE will take your letter seriously? They will not. Nor would any sane business.

Do you think you've encouraged the devs to be more communicative, or to listen to more player feedback? You have not.

You've accomplished nothing except make yourself look petty, and cause the more rational discussion to be drowned out.

Bravo.
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# 314
03-23-2012, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by cheer View Post
No, too bad for you that you are so detached from reality.

Do you REALLY think PWE will take your letter seriously? They will not. Nor would any sane business.

Do you think you've encouraged the devs to be more communicative, or to listen to more player feedback? You have not.

You've accomplished nothing except make yourself look petty, and cause the more rational discussion to be drowned out.

Bravo.
EDITED TO NOT BE RUDE LIKE SOME PEOPLE HERE LIKE TO BE
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# 315
03-23-2012, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer
While you may not need a gimmick to fly it, they need a gimmick to sell it. The C-Store ships have gimmicks. If people would accept it as a costume for a current ship, no gimmick would be needed - costumes do not have gimmicks.

Given almost no information is known about it, given that most tiers represent an average for a multitude of ships, a costume makes the most sense... the amount of people that I have seen willing to accept the idea of a costume is pretty small.
Exactly.




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Originally Posted by virusdancer
We can't go by what the silent or quiet majority want... yet we have several in that vocal minority that are very outspoken. They appear in each thread, hammering away their points repeatedly - it's what stands out - it's what gains the attention...

...and to some extent, begins to lead to stereotyping of those that are pro-Ambassador.

Some folks try to see past that and deal with individuals that are pro-Ambassador on an individual or even small group basis.

At the same time, it also happens from the other perspective. Those that do not want exactly what this outspoken minority want are lumped in with the people that do not want the Ambassador at all. This is often picked up by others that may not have read a single thing the person said, but they saw the label, and it sticks.

Everything ends up in the extremes... people that are not at those extremes, will often find themselves in arguments with everybody, lol.
We could divorce that from this game, and it would be a pretty fair assessment on the state of US politics.





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Originally Posted by Kaelon View Post
1. Ambassador Class
The Ambassador Class Starship has a clear space to till in the progression of the Enterprise ships, resting comfortably between Excelsior and Galaxy classes and demonstrating the evolution of ship design.
That space is not so clear in this game.

In this game, that space does not even exist between the Excelsior and Galaxy statswise, or in other words function-wise. There is not enough space to fill between what those two ships do.



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Originally Posted by Kaelon View Post
the Ambassador Class strikes me as low-hanging fruit (though, I'm sure systems designers and our resident ship designer in this thread may feel differently about that "low-hanging fruit").
It's not low-hanging fruit.

Ambassador die-hards demand it is it's own unique ship and not a costume.

The T5 Cruiser-space is already overpopulated. It will be incredibly hard to find a space for this ship that will A) be unique and B) Please players and make the ship desirable to the players that actually want this ship to begin with.

Visually the ship does not stand out, specifically because of it's original design as a bridge between Excelsior and the Galaxy.
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# 316
03-23-2012, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by cheer View Post
No, too bad for you that you are so detached from reality.

Do you REALLY think PWE will take your letter seriously? They will not. Nor would any sane business.

Do you think you've encouraged the devs to be more communicative, or to listen to more player feedback? You have not.

You've accomplished nothing except make yourself look petty, and cause the more rational discussion to be drowned out.

Bravo.
Seriously as a paying customer (I buy lots of C-Points every month) I have a right to express my displeasure when an employee of the company I do business with directly offends me. Sorry Im not going to shutup and go away just because you want me to
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# 317
03-23-2012, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by cheer View Post
Well, as much as I think many of us here had some great points to bring up to JamJamz, the thread has (as they are wont to do) gone off the rails with lunatics calling for a dev's termination, etc.

This is why we can't have nice discussions with the dev on topics like this. Thank you, lunatics.
It´s ONE "lunatic".

Just because one person goes completely overboard with his reactions doesn´t mean everyone else is.
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# 318
03-23-2012, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ashur1
It´s ONE "lunatic".

Just because one person goes completely overboard with his reactions doesn´t mean everyone else is.
So Im a lunatic now huh nice Its fun getting to report people this morning
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# 319
03-23-2012, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Floridaguy74656 View Post
Seriously as a paying customer (I buy lots of C-Points every month) I have a right to express my displeasure when an employee of the company I do business with directly offends me. Sorry Im not going to shutup and go away just because you want me to
This isn't about what you have a RIGHT to do.

This is about being practical. What do you want to accomplish? If you're just trying to vent...well, OK, fine then.

But if you're trying to effect change, you're doing it in the worst way possible.
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# 320
03-23-2012, 06:58 AM
HAHAHAHAHA

I LOVE this thread...

How about we start a new one where we can have some CONSTRUCTIVE conversation?
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