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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Hey, all. Due to the sale, I plan on picking up one of these. Question is, though, which one?

I love the design of the Defiant from an aesthetic perspective, and I think the Prometheus was overhyped a little in its canon appearances. But I understand that the Prometheus is a solid ship in-game. However, I also don't know how effective the multi-vector assault mode is - particularly since I have the Ody, and while I find separating the ship useful, I also find that the chevron to be of questionable value, and the escort to not last terribly long. Also, I don't have much (re: any) experience with cloak - seems a bit difficult to use effectively, unless it's a battle cloak (not that I know the difference). I also don't know how tough the ships are in terms of punishment, nor which one can put out the best firepower. And ultimately I'm more concerned with performance than looks.

Long story short I'm trying to get the one that's the "best" for me. I'm getting used to piloting escorts, or will be when I pick it up. I'd like it to be able to take a bit of a beating, and my experience is primarily with engineering powers, but if it's better for overall endurance I'm willing to learn with science powers. My "play style" with escorts is nearly nonexistent, other than I'm new enough that when I tried with an Akira at T3 I had a very hard time bringing my cannons to bear on an opponent after the first pass. I'm mainly a cruiser pilot, with either the Assault Cruiser or Odyssey.

I've also heard something about people tending to pick up the free T5 escort and using the multi-vector console on THAT for a better effect. I'd rather not do that (looking for an account-wide ship here), but how often is that done?

Any thoughts anyone might have would be greatly appreciated.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
04-06-2012, 01:09 PM
Having used both Defiant-R and MVAM for quite some time, I favor the T5 Advanced Escort with an MVAM console (MVAE) for the following reasons:

1) The MVAE has a more robust bridge officer layout when compared to Defiants (that extra ensign science station is HUGE!)

2) Now that Field Generators stack and are science consoles instead of engineering, the MVAE can obtain higher total shield capacity since they run 3 sci console slots vs. the Defiant's 2.

3) The MVAE module ships move and turn much faster than Defiants when optimally spec'd and using hyper-impulse engines.


The Defiant is still a good ship, but it does have survival problems when facing a skilled opponent in an MVAE. If the Defiant's opening decloak alpha strike fails, then its chances of survival drop quickly as the fight drags on, especially when the opponent employs 30-sec CD tractor beams.

I'll still use a Defiant occasionally for nostalgia reasons, but if I'm going into a serious combat encounter, I'll take the MVAE instead.
Lt. Commander
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# 3
04-06-2012, 07:03 PM
First off, I'd like to thank you for replying. It's greatly appreciated.

Second, if I were to NOT get the Advanced Escort - it's either the Multi-Vector Assault Escort with its own console, or the Defiant-R - which one would you recommend that I get, and why?

I would rather not have to grind a ton of dilithium and/or buy the dilithium to pick up the Advanced Escort, so I'd like to hear your opinion on this, although I'm also considering what you said regarding the ship/console combination.
Lt. Commander
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# 4
04-06-2012, 08:38 PM
I'm a big fan of the Defiant refit, but I've only flown the MVAM on tribble.
Lt. Commander
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# 5
04-06-2012, 09:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_1999
First off, I'd like to thank you for replying. It's greatly appreciated.

Second, if I were to NOT get the Advanced Escort - it's either the Multi-Vector Assault Escort with its own console, or the Defiant-R - which one would you recommend that I get, and why?

I would rather not have to grind a ton of dilithium and/or buy the dilithium to pick up the Advanced Escort, so I'd like to hear your opinion on this, although I'm also considering what you said regarding the ship/console combination.
The default MVAM still has a slight edge over the Defiant-R for reasons already stated above, though the Defiant-R will have a better offensive BO-layout, and therefore a slightly better chance in 1-1 PvP.
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# 6
04-06-2012, 10:22 PM
I prefer the Defiant-R over the MVAE. I think it is more personal preference really. The MVAE can last a little longer in a fight then the Defiant-R, but I can tell you that I have been called an exploiter cause I can tank so well in my Defiant. Since they can't understand how I do it, they just say I am exploiting. I have learned to fly my ship class very effectively. I tried out the MVAE, and didn't really care for it all that much.

I think it really comes down to this: If you plan on PvP, then I would choose the Defiant, as it is a little more offensive, and the quicker that you can kill your enemy, the more likely you will survive. If you plan on PvE, I would chose the MVAE, as you can have HE, PH, and ST. With those three science powers, you will be ready for anything that PvE will through at you.Chain ST with TT, and you will be good to go.
Lt. Commander
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# 7
04-07-2012, 02:39 AM
It's simple for me, I love DS9, and only sorta liked Voyager

Defiant refit is a must have for a DS9 fan
Lt. Commander
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# 8
04-07-2012, 03:25 AM
MVAE, Grav Well on an Escort makes idiots easier to deal with In ESTF.

Not knocking the Defiant which is a very very nice ship.

The other thing to consider is this.

Defiant has 8 Tac BOFF powers. 2 Tacs, 2 Cannon buffs, 2 Omegas. And a choice of 2 Beam, Torp or Mine skills. My configuation for the Raptor (same BOFFs) is both a High Yield and Torp Spread, to compliment CRF and CSV.

MVAE has 7 Tac BOFF powers. 2 Tacs, 2 Cannon buffs, 2 Omegas, and would probaly be better off with a DBB for Beam Overload or subsystem Targetting.

Try and work out your BOFF setup before you buy the ship that way you have a far better idea of how you will use it. And I personally think for the high level Sci abilities the MVAE is the best T5+ Escort. That being said the Defiant is a classic and you'd love it just as much.
Lt. Commander
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# 9
04-07-2012, 03:36 AM
the MVAE is less of a good choice for dealing maximum dmg, but it has higher srvivability than the defiant. If you do alot of PVP your choice should be defiant for the cloak.
If you are a science officer go for the MVAE, with the LtCmdr. sci slot you are the only escort capable of Gravity Well, or some Rank 3 heals. If you are specced right this one ability can make a sci in an escort a powerfull hybrid between DD and healer. Both ships are equally devastating in the right hands.

But if you tend towards one or the other, go with your gutts. Escorts raign superior over all!
I tend to see the defiant a better choice for tactical officers...don't know why, but it just feels right.


PS: i have both, my tac uses the defiant, my sci the MVAE but as a advanced escort (ltd. sci and ensign sci, instead of ltdcmdr sci)
i love the "WTF!" in zone chat when i pop my photonic fleet and attack vector, and the enemy is confronted with 6 ships^^
But team PVP is awesome as well when 3 defiant "alpha decloak" on a cruiser and he dies after 10sec...fully buffed or not.
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# 10
04-07-2012, 06:46 AM
I'm partial to the MVAE. I've used both and I tend to find the Tactical Escort to be lacking. The cloak is nice in some situations, but more often than not it's utterly useless because it can't be used in red alert, leaving you to usually wait until you're either dead or well out of combat to use again. As a result the Damage buff doesn't really account for much.

The only situation in which the MVAM can't, or rather shouldn't, be used is when attacking objectives such as in Kitomer Accord Space or Infected Space because the pets do not respond to the gateways as actual threats. The cooldown is a bit on the long side, but I find it far more valuable than the Cloak, and the variety of different modes allows you to benefit in several ways rather nicely.

The AE and the MVAE also have a nice range of BOff slots that I prefer to that of the Tactical. The ability to Gravity well with the MVAE is an absolute wonder against larger groups of enemies, and the extra science officer slot with the AE tends to come in handy more than the extra tactical officer slot you get with the Tactical Escort.

I find the choice between the two ships an incredible boon as well, unlike the cloak on the tactical which is reserved to only one VA/RA level escort.

That all being said, the Tactical Escort is a wonder when I'm running through Ker'rat, and the quicker turn radius is nice, but I'm still really partial to the MVAE/AE with Module.
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