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# 1 fleet escort < defiant retrofit?
03-25-2012, 10:44 PM
Hi i'm new to sto - about a month. Recently hit lvl 50 and flying fleet escort, tactical captain. I'm concidering to get the defiant retrofit, but not so sure it is worth it. Really like my fleet escort and wondering is it better having cloak and slightly better turn vs more crue? And isn't having tactical ensign boff a waste over engeneiring(emergency power to shields)?
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# 2
03-25-2012, 10:59 PM
SOO many things are required to answer that..

What are you playing PvE or PvP?

If PvE are you doing STFs? If so what role?

What type of tac player are you, Spike Damage or Sustained Damage?

All these should be coming into play when making a choice. For my STFs I use the MVAM Fleet escort as I get access to Gravity Well which is always nice to have. The I use Multi Vetor Mode with consoles to support sustained damage and crowd control.

But at the same time I run a Retrofit as my spiker, everything is step up for speed. She hits as hard as possible in one pass then runs out rather then fighting.

So ya, play style you want for your ship and just your general area of play it really more important.
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# 3
03-26-2012, 01:34 AM
Hello neoset, you do need to specify what kind of style and battles you're planning to do with the Defiant-R or Fleet Escort.

I am new myself but I have done heavy reading on build guides and I could conclude that the Defiant-R is best used as burst damage dealer, ideal for PVP, while Fleet Escort as sustained damage dealer, ideal for PVE, because it has more durability than Defiant-R.

I personally am aiming for Fleet Escort because I prefer survivability and flexibility over raw firepower.
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# 4
03-26-2012, 01:46 AM
At the moment i'm enjoing the storyline and preffer pve. Will stick with the fleet escort for now. Using quad phaser+ 2 dual heavy and 3 turrets all phasers + quantum torpedoe borg
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# 5
03-26-2012, 02:03 AM
Crew is a useless stat in this game, just so your aware.

100 vs 200 is nothing, 200 vs 1000 is still nothing.

I could fill a page with answers, reasons and solutions but don't base any decision on crew size.

For all intents and purposes in PVE the Defiant is Equal to the other Escorts at this level. Your paying for a Iconic looking classic that can cloak, rather than a drastically different play style. I would personally buy the MVAM over the Defiant.
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# 6
03-26-2012, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by luxiole
Hello neoset, you do need to specify what kind of style and battles you're planning to do with the Defiant-R or Fleet Escort.

I am new myself but I have done heavy reading on build guides and I could conclude that the Defiant-R is best used as burst damage dealer, ideal for PVP, while Fleet Escort as sustained damage dealer, ideal for PVE, because it has more durability than Defiant-R.

I personally am aiming for Fleet Escort because I prefer survivability and flexibility over raw firepower.

Quote:
Originally Posted by neoset
At the moment i'm enjoing the storyline and preffer pve. Will stick with the fleet escort for now. Using quad phaser+ 2 dual heavy and 3 turrets all phasers + quantum torpedoe borg

For PvE stick with the Fleet Escort.

It has a great BOFF layout, and is a great, solid all around Escort for PvE.


You're not really giving up any 'raw firepower' by going with the Fleet Escort, just a bit of situational extra spike damage from de-cloaking (adds a damage bonus).

As a Tactical captain you have plenty of burst damage tools, and the Fleet Escort will allow you to chain 2x copies of EPTS 1 + Reverse Shield Polarity as an emergency shield recovery tool on STFs.

Even if the Defiant-R were a free ship, I would choose the Fleet Escort for STFs.



The Defiant-R is great for PvP. PvP is where this ship shines, and where the Spike damage and usefulness of cloaking take center stage.
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# 7
03-26-2012, 09:11 AM
My main concern is loosing 1 epts on the defiant retrofit...
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# 8
03-26-2012, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by neoset
My main concern is loosing 1 epts on the defiant retrofit...
Yes that's why I said for PvE stick with the Fleet Escort.
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# 9
03-26-2012, 10:32 AM
I would like to jump into this, as I too am new to STO and am a Lvl 40 Tact Captain flying a Fleet Escort.

I have all phaser based weapons, with quantum torps, and all the appropriate consoles to support them; I saved up about 1mil ec from Exchange Sales before I acquired the Fleet Escort from my RA promotion and then went and put about 600,000 ec into outfitting the ship with all Rare and Extra Rare equipment; of all the best quality that I could find... best Quad Heavy Phasers, Quantum Torps, Combat Impulse Engine, and Covariant Shields; all maxed for my Level and Rank, as these all had the best stats out of others of their kind, and so on...

I have my BoFF's loaded up with things like High Yield Torp, Torp Spread, Attack Patterns Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Tactical Team, Engineering Team, Science Team, Emergency Power to Shields... and various other skills...

For the most part, I designed my ship through my BoFF's, and my own skills.. to be just a power house pouring out the DPS and withstanding as much incoming damage as possible...

As a result, my ship shines in PvE... and god have mercy on any PvE enemy who comes across my bow in range of my cannons...

Obviously, this has worked out beautifully in PvE where I can take down heavy Battleship's within a matter of seconds. I go into one of those "Enemy Contact" red vortex PvE things and just fly around blasting the hell out of every enemy in sight and usually, any other PvE Players who enter, typically end up following me around and assisting on my targets!

HOWEVER...

Last night, I tried out Ker'rat for the first time; being still new to the game, things like Ker'rat were unknown to me as I never bothered much with the "tutorial missions" at the beginning, and just skipped them.

So entering Ker'rat, I finally got my first taste of STO PvP; and I must say it was quite entertaining and a lot of fun!

But I learned rather quickly that PvE and PvP within STO are quite vastly different in terms of play style... as I went up against a Klingon Player flying a Vo'Quv Carrier loaded up with more To'duj fighters then I care to count!

Now the fighters were no problem, as they were easily picked off by my turrets and heaven have mercy, on any that flew across my bow in range of my cannons... and pray they stay away from my Torp Spread...

But the Vo'Quv itself...

That was a player who knew what he was doing, and while on my own I was no match against him. There were several instances where I accidently came across him while flying across the area by myself and suddenly he's decloaking right smack on top fo me! In such cases, I find myself swarmed by his Fighters, and barely able to put a dent in his shields while he's hammering the frickin hell out of mine!

The only way to take him down was when the rest of the Fed Players in my Ker'rat instance would rally together against him.

Now, I do not expect to be able to solo such a player and defeat them...

But I ought to at least be able to put up a good fight and do some damage to him?

For that matter, should I work towards acquiring a different ship? Obviously I won't get another "freebie" when I hit RAUH; so I'm stuck with my Fleet Escort for now; unless I somehow manage to acquire enough dilithium to go buy another ship... but for the casual player like myself, the time it takes to acquire such amounts is really sort of a waste of time as I usually Level up too fast and have access to another new "freebie" ship before I get 3000 dilithium...

I still have my Tactical Escort Defiant from Captain rank, but that is a step back from the Fleet Escort... but would it be better in PvP over the Fleet Escort?

Or would I just have to wait till I can acquire the Tactical Escort Retrofit at Vice Admiral to have a decent PvP ship?
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# 10
03-26-2012, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cjc75 View Post
I still have my Tactical Escort Defiant from Captain rank, but that is a step back from the Fleet Escort... but would it be better in PvP over the Fleet Escort?

Or would I just have to wait till I can acquire the Tactical Escort Retrofit at Vice Admiral to have a decent PvP ship?
No. The T4 Defiant has no real special abilities over the higher level ships - only the T5 Retrofit gets the cloak console.

The Fleet Escort is fine for PVP - you just can't cloak and turn a tad slower versus the Def-R. In trade, you have another usable console slot (the Defiant's cloak is a universal console) and you're much more durable, however you go about it.

As far as your build, you mentioned "High Yield Torp, Torp Spread, Attack Patterns Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Tactical Team, Engineering Team, Science Team, Emergency Power to Shields" - you REALLY want to be running 2x Tac Teams (plus having Distribute Shields readily available) so that you have the automatic shield distribution up as long as possible. Engi and Sci teams are of ... limited utility, especially since you have TT up all the time and the 15 second global cooldown on all teams.

I also don't see anything boosting energy weapon DPS - no CRF or CSV. Your torps aren't much good until shields are down, which is one of the reasons why both the STF Escort Build Thread and the Hilbert Guide for New PVP Pilots include powerful cannon boosts. They provide a great starting point for builds, and once you have experience you can modify them as necessary (using a DBB in place of a D(H)C or Torp launcher is a popular idea, for instance).

Pretty much any other advice I could give is covered at some point in the above two guides. Also, for PVP specifically, the folks in OrganizedPVP do like helping newer players in between Star'Dagger's inanity and the usual FOTM rants, so drop by and ask there Good luck in game!
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