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# 11
03-27-2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by avarileria
I run a rainbow boat. I used to run all AP weapons, maximizing consoles etc. And I got bored with it. So I decided to make a rainbow ship. Did I lose DPS? Yes. Do I get a kick out of the skittle boat? Yes.

My question is, beyond the console stacking, is there a real arguement against the rainbow ship? I see tons of abuse on these forums and in chat channels, heaped on folks with skittle boats. I can see one argument (the consoles) and I do agree with it, don't misunderstand me but... is there anything else?
I don't care what anyone thinks the second they see those skittles burst out of my front end (groan* nooob) - I just want to know if there's anything supporting that thought BESIDES the consoles.

And yes this is for real, not trolling. I tried to find the answer here but I just found disparaging remarks with no numbers to back them up.
Well... consider that certain skills benefit different flavors of weapons differently:

AP gets, as you know, a bonus to critical severity. This means it benefits from the Energy Specialization skill more than other weapon types (because the more you critically hit, the more advantage you get from AP)

Tetyron and Polaron drain shield and power, respectively. Their drain is modified by the Flow Capacitors skill. So, if you are running other skills that also benefit from the Flow capacitors skill (tyken's, energy drain, Beam Target: Anything, and the OMEGA 2-set bonus tetyron glider), then you gain some synergy. Also, consider that the normally weak Science console has a console that boosts this (Flow Capacitor Console, iirc).

The other damage types (plasma, disruptor, and phaser) do not appear to benefit from any skill. Note that disruptor weapons have diminishing return because the special debuff they have do not stack-so you only really need 1 proc every 15 seconds (though it works nicely if you are running Attack Pattern Beta and/or FOMM/Sensor Scan to really stack resistance debuffs).

Plasma weapons are particularly poor choices now because all the STF set shields have plasma resists.

Phasers are okay, which is why they are popular unless you have something specific you need another damage type for.
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# 12
03-27-2012, 01:15 PM
I have no problem with rainbow/skittle boats. Knock yourselves out, have fun. But please, don't bring them into STFs and expect the serious grinders to have any respect for your build.
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# 13
03-27-2012, 01:35 PM
When I see a Rainbow Brite, I feel apprehensive. Don't get me wrong, there are Rainbow Brites that surprise me and turn out to be pretty damn good. It's just that such as setup is an indication that the character is new. It's not that they want to make the Borg taste the rainbow... it's the fact that this is literally all they have for equipment.

So if they can't afford decent equipment and they can't afford to optimize a little... then it makes you wonder what else is been inadequately prepared. Did they come in with components to repair their damage? Did they even read the mission objectives? It's hard to tell with them.

I also get that same sinking feeling whenever I see a guy on ground Elite who hasn't disabled visuals on his armor and kit. Are they doing it on purpose, or are they so new that they don't know how or are unaware of it? If so, what else do they not know, or have they even come in properly supplied?
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# 14
03-28-2012, 08:48 AM
I see them a lot in normal STF's, its hilarious when scatter volley is on but...then you realize you might be the one stuck defending the Kang/Gates/Etc
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# 15
03-29-2012, 04:58 AM
I've considered doing it on a sci ship, and using the tactical consoles for the torpedos instead, just to screw with people mostly.

If I relied on my energy weapons for damage, I wouldn't foister such a build on people who're supposedly my team mates and will be relying on me to not screw around. Still, I'd take a rainbow brite over a shuttle anyday of the week.
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# 16
03-29-2012, 07:33 AM
Generally, I feel the same way, when I see the various colors of weapons, and I understand it, my eng character needs more equipment and weapons. However, the disable visuals means jack and squat. I having the armor and kits visuals while doing STFs just to make it more RPish like it is a dangerous environment and my character needs the extra gear.
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# 17
03-29-2012, 08:29 AM
Yeah, I don't get the 'visuals not disabled' thing. In PvE, why does it matter at all?

Maybe you like the look -- personally I fiddle with visuals to produce a look I like, which may mean I leave visuals on, or shut them off.
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# 18
03-29-2012, 09:06 AM
I like the look of my armour and equipment in ground STF's. I'm not sure how that says this guy doesn't know what he's doing.

I don't see people in Borg equipped ships and thing that looks terrible they must not know what they are doing, perhaps they like the look.

Now as for your ship build, if you want to run rainbows I don't care. If you ask on DS9 or ESD why people hate Rainbow ships in STF's. I will explain that your not bringing maximum fire power to the situation and hurting the whole team. I may also point out that people have had more than a few bad experiances with the rainbows blowing Generators early and generally doing stupid things like flying around Khitomer and Spawning every cube.

If you run STF's you should be working on replacing the rainbow. If your running Elite you should be geared and knowledgeable.
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# 19
03-29-2012, 10:38 AM
If you're going to be silly, have the chops to back it up. I would rather have a Skittle-boat who will TBR nanite spheres to save an optional than a max-dpscort who blows up a nanite generator, then dies to the cube above it.
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# 20
03-29-2012, 11:16 AM
I do elites in my rainbow boat the U.S.S. Simply Fabulous.

I tank what I pull, and I kill it faster than some of the escorts I've seen in there. Fun build.

What really perplexes people is a 4x Fore Quantum with 3x Purple torp officers, lobbing out a quantum every second for 8-14k.

... Usually involves beam target shields, or someone downing the facing for you though.
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