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Lt. Commander
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# 31
03-28-2012, 11:30 PM
@Capt Busters the article isn't mine.

The pdf is interesting thanks. I'd say that's no fusion engine but fusion powered magnetic engine? :p

very interesting concept.....still a bit primitive engine but I guess warp kind of travel is still hundreds of year away


We need to find the Vulcan fast so we can build our first warp core engine

or little green man and have him waterboarded to give us the secret to interstellar travel...
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# 32
03-29-2012, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by discovery7810

Too bad I was born too early to see mankind's first true starship built. But FUSION is here! Unbelievable almost UFO like technology to mankind....I mean we still run primitive machines which run on flammable dead animal extract pretty much everywhere!

we only do that because of some VERY greedy people who would rather destroy the world with a "well i'll be long dead before its an issue" attitude holding back things like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSiSh...eature=mh_lolz

please note this is a safe and fully functioning real world hydrogen plasma generator engine capable of producing a power level comparable to the most powerful conventional engine even in its current stripped down an limited stake.

he HAS tried to get this engine produced and was thrown in a mental institution for refusing to sell it to the oil conglomerates who would bury it rather than let it cripple there monopoly.

Further tests have proven that this engine with a very small modification could be made run on "modern biofules" meaning that it could run on spirit alcohol and a vegetable oil base totally freeing us from mineral oil as a species.

but due to oil wealth sustaining and justifying everything from politics and war and keeping the 1% very much in there ivory towers we will never see this incredible invention ever come to light.
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# 33
03-29-2012, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Aries2507 View Post
we only do that because of some VERY greedy people who would rather destroy the world with a "well i'll be long dead before its an issue" attitude holding back things like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSiSh...eature=mh_lolz

please note this is a safe and fully functioning real world hydrogen plasma generator engine capable of producing a power level comparable to the most powerful conventional engine even in its current stripped down an limited stake.

he HAS tried to get this engine produced and was thrown in a mental institution for refusing to sell it to the oil conglomerates who would bury it rather than let it cripple there monopoly.

Further tests have proven that this engine with a very small modification could be made run on "modern biofules" meaning that it could run on spirit alcohol and a vegetable oil base totally freeing us from mineral oil as a species.

but due to oil wealth sustaining and justifying everything from politics and war and keeping the 1% very much in there ivory towers we will never see this incredible invention ever come to light.
I do not know what to say...I know evil greedy people often run the world. If it wasn't because of God I'd myself be dead or worse insane....So I know the corruption and the evil that runs the world. . Personally I'd recommend God to destroy the planet because mankind doesn't deserve continual existence...but God is so ever patient but I think it is set, people are regressing anyway so the day will come. . From my ordeal i came to be able to feel other people feelings but only sometimes and it is rare now. Even once but only once a chain of thought....quite interesting I must say I'm addicted to knowing people from the inside. Unlike Spock I do not need to touch people to feel them and do not need to be near as well even at times feeling people in live tv. Quantum entanglement perhaps....so many things we have not discovered...Nope I'm not insane i have used this at times into practice, like changing the speech of a pastor just by looking at him in the eyes because I knew he was not exactly telling the truth....yeah can be fun at times but can be depressing too like in this one time I disappointed a man and I felt his disappointment at that moment....the guilt / the burden of conscience was quite something. It's one thing to disappoint a man and never knew about it but to know exactly how you made him feel makes you feel very bad and ashamed about yourself....the guy stayed in my mind for weeks....worse he was a stranger and I couldn't find him again. No I'm not sensitive, people can get hysterical in front of me and I won't feel anything LOL
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# 34
03-29-2012, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by discovery7810
I do not know what to say...I know evil greedy people often run the world..
-we have the potential for nearly free transportation based fuel

*where the profit?

-We have an engine that produces no carbon and no waste products that runs on cheap efficient bio fuel

*But oil is the backbone of our economy

-We have a totally free and clean renewable source of electricity for everyone via wind and tidal power

*how can we make money of we give it away for free?

-we can end world poverty and hunger by simple distribution of these new FREE resources!

*if we give it to them for free we cant make more money

-we can make money obsolete in just two generations!

* NO MONEY!?! then how can i prove that im better than anyone else?


regardless of the technology due to an antiquated notion of self importance and wealth to live a "better" lifestyle than those around you and pure raw unadulterated greed means that no matter what we produce no matter the quantities and no matter how easy it is somebody somewhere is going to simply asking "Ques Bono?" who profits? and if there is any question as to who then they will consider it theirs and from that moment on it will no longer be free.

We all forget that the Star Trek universe is a socialist utopia rather than a capitalist one. Ironically the STO game is more in keeping with the idea of a Capitalist version of the Star Trek universe than the one we know and love demanding payment for replication and starship upgrades rather than simply requesting from the fleet. Yes i know its how a game model worls but thats not really the point, we could be living in a world without hunger without fuel poverty and with no third world dept...well without ANY third world at all.
Oil wars would be rendered moot and capitalistic venture limited to true innovation and invention or even toward luxury rather than the simple stuff of life and existence.

But as we stand in the second decade of the new millennium i cant help but think that were still living in a world where were fighting over resources we simply no longer require but due to infrastructure and simplistic greed we wont even contemplate the alternative until we drain our planet dry...


...sad isnt it?
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# 35
03-29-2012, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Aries2507 View Post
We all forget that the Star Trek universe is a socialist utopia rather than a capitalist one. Ironically the STO game is more in keeping with the idea of a Capitalist version of the Star Trek universe than the one we know and love demanding payment for replication and starship upgrades rather than simply requesting from the fleet. Yes i know its how a game model worls but thats not really the point, we could be living in a world without hunger without fuel poverty and with no third world dept...well without ANY third world at all.
Along those same lines I never ever ever thought that fans of the Matrix would play an MMO based on that story. I mean, it just struck me as completely insane to buy into the concept of playing an MMO based on a story that is about being trapped intentionally in a virtual reality where you could do amazing things and learn skills like martial arts or helicopter piloting in this virtual reality, while the entire time your physical self was being stored in a compact chamber and siphoned for energy ... taking that concept and fitting it into an MMO ... a genre of video game that you spend inordinate amounts of time in a virtual reality while learning skills in that virtual reality to make you better at that virtual reality, the whole time you're physically sitting down in what is usually a semi-cramped space burning energy.

It made no sense that fans of the Matrix would fall for that!

Just like it makes no sense that Star Trek fans so willingly accept a grind based, microtransaction fuled MMO model on their Trek universe.
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# 36
03-29-2012, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Aries2507 View Post
-we have the potential for nearly free transportation based fuel

*where the profit?

-We have an engine that produces no carbon and no waste products that runs on cheap efficient bio fuel

*But oil is the backbone of our economy

-We have a totally free and clean renewable source of electricity for everyone via wind and tidal power

*how can we make money of we give it away for free?

-we can end world poverty and hunger by simple distribution of these new FREE resources!

*if we give it to them for free we cant make more money

-we can make money obsolete in just two generations!

* NO MONEY!?! then how can i prove that im better than anyone else?


regardless of the technology due to an antiquated notion of self importance and wealth to live a "better" lifestyle than those around you and pure raw unadulterated greed means that no matter what we produce no matter the quantities and no matter how easy it is somebody somewhere is going to simply asking "Ques Bono?" who profits? and if there is any question as to who then they will consider it theirs and from that moment on it will no longer be free.

We all forget that the Star Trek universe is a socialist utopia rather than a capitalist one. Ironically the STO game is more in keeping with the idea of a Capitalist version of the Star Trek universe than the one we know and love demanding payment for replication and starship upgrades rather than simply requesting from the fleet. Yes i know its how a game model worls but thats not really the point, we could be living in a world without hunger without fuel poverty and with no third world dept...well without ANY third world at all.
Oil wars would be rendered moot and capitalistic venture limited to true innovation and invention or even toward luxury rather than the simple stuff of life and existence.

But as we stand in the second decade of the new millennium i cant help but think that were still living in a world where were fighting over resources we simply no longer require but due to infrastructure and simplistic greed we wont even contemplate the alternative until we drain our planet dry...


...sad isnt it?
Yep it is sad, thats human nature for you. Some choose to be like that instead of making things better for everyone.
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# 37
03-29-2012, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Aries2507 View Post
But as we stand in the second decade of the new millennium i cant help but think that were still living in a world where were fighting over resources we simply no longer require but due to infrastructure and simplistic greed we wont even contemplate the alternative until we drain our planet dry...


...sad isnt it?
Yep, it is.
The original idea of money was so good, too. You contribute to society, you get a coupon saying that you did. You can redeem that coupon to receive a useful good or service later. It's just gotten lost somewhere.

I would be in favor a "no useful goods or services" tax. People who make money by sending spam mail, for example.... :p
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# 38
03-29-2012, 07:51 AM
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Fusion we didn't really pay too much attention to. It always seems to be one of those ideas that's always just a few years away. The fuel supply is very nice though. If you calculate the amount of deuterium estimated to be in the ocean, it could sustain the world total power output for 40,000 years. At time scales like that, it might replenish by itself for all we know. Definitely would be a day of celebration if they can get it working. It would ease the minds of many a men.
I seem to remember projections that we would have workable fusion power in the 2050s. It always feels to me like nothing ever happens, but 2050 is still far off, and it was 15 years ago when I probably heard this number for the first time as well. So, they may be on schedule, the schedule is just slow.

A problem with solar and wind energy seems to be that you need energy to create the solar panels and the wind mills. This is of course true with all energy generators (nuclear reactors don't build themselves either), so I still don't know how "energy efficient" they really are. It seems a major aspect for making regenerative energies like these work is having an efficient energy storage mechanism, to deal with the variance in production due to weather conditions.

Quote:
Originally Posted by discovery7810
I'm well aware of the issue with space travel but I'd think fusion would have more potential to generate even more power than the usual nuclear fission. And the abundant source of water everywhere would make it more feasible too aside from the fact it is also safer(less radiation)

So I think fusion would be the first feasible power generator much like Star Trek warp core power.
The other things like efficient light years distance propulsion would still have to be figured out but that system would probably be able to be powered by fision. I know it's more about daydreaming now but the way I see it fusion is FAR better than all that we have at the moment. As the ability to generate even more energy becomes available so will the technologies that make use of even more energy than before.

The foundation and benchmark of any civilization is its powering technology. We went from labor to fire(to cook, to warm, to run steam machines and ships, etc) to win(tallships) to oil(explosive) and now fission though the last is only applicable in limited numbers. Overall we're still an oil civilization. or oil with a minority of fission technology used by military and state.
While space energy production is certainly a concern, it seems to me a far bigger problem today is creating a biosphere that remains intact over the long time needed for non-FTL travels. Even the flight to Mars is a challenging prospect in that regard.

Also, only with the rather new ion drives we may be able to fly long distances, and they are not suitable for planetary landing or starting due to the low thrust they achieve. (Their advantage is that they can provide thrust for much longer than alternative fuels, and don't need their own fuel, at least not in the classical sense.)

A fission-based energy generator would be quite sufficient by today's needs.
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# 39
03-29-2012, 11:09 PM
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I guess the STO players are more interested in the color of their EVA suit, or hair tec.
I guess, I was wrong.
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# 40
03-30-2012, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Aries2507 View Post
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But as we stand in the second decade of the new millennium i cant help but think that were still living in a world where were fighting over resources we simply no longer require but due to infrastructure and simplistic greed we wont even contemplate the alternative until we drain our planet dry...


...sad isnt it?
Mankind needs an elightenment but perhaps it is even too late now...too many people are regressing

Never ever underestimate the power of foolish people in high places and the stupid in numbers.
The wise are few and weak in positions compared to the sure fools.


But the future has never been more exciting. By that I mean bleak . I'm going to get my popcorn and watch the fruits of mankind stupidity one after another.. Make no mistake we'll be paying one at a time then all at once. This century will be the century of crisis after crisis. Wise human look how far you have fallen. Man's wits and wisdom have their limits but the fools know not theirs. This century is the time when mankind is confronted to look into ourselves and question our conducts and DECIDE what to CHANGE. Failing to change or embracing a superficial one will end the advanced societies that we now see. Chaos will replace it until there's little left.
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