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# 1 Returning VA Interested in PVP
04-05-2012, 12:01 AM
Hi ALL,

I am coming back to STO after about a year and have been on MANY, MANY websites that seem to contain much outdated or Sporadic info on the changes. When i left the game my build was not THE BEST but i could hold my own in space and ground pretty well. Do to obvious game changes I'm Rethinking My Build. This build is what I am using as of now= http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skil...CruiserRetro_0

I have two T5 Ships http://www.stowiki.org/Advanced_Heavy_Cruiser_Retrofit The one I'm using now and http://www.stowiki.org/Exploration_Cruiser_Retrofit that I'm not a fan of.

The goal for now is Space PVE/PVP and some ground combat. My hopes are to be pretty balanced for damage and defense I made a few changes to my ship layout thanks to "Vetteguy904" from my original post. http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=264083

Info not listed in the skill sheet link is:

3 Anti proton DBB MK XI and 1 quantum torpedo launcher MK XI (Fore Weps)
Assimilated Deflector
Ages Engine (using the borg ATM)
Ages Shield (want MACO Shield)
3 Anti proton BA MK XI and 1 Hargh'peng Torpedo Launcher XI (AFT Weps)

EC's= Plasma Dist MK XI
EPS Flow REG MK XI
RCS Accelerator MK XI
Armor MK XI ( type depends on what I'm fighting)


SC's= Field Generator MK XI
Assimilated Mod

TC's= Antiproton Mag Regulator MK XI x3


I realize a lot depends on play style and there is no perfect build so I'm just wondering if I'm close on a setup or need to do a major overhaul.

Thanks in advance.
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# 2
04-05-2012, 02:04 AM
Energy siphon and jam sensors?
First things first, ditch those.

Ideally in a cruiser you will be an engineer...
On an excelsior I personally would go:

EPtS1
EPtS1 RSP1
ET1 Aux to SIF 1 ET3 ES3 [If you doff, you can run just 1 copy of ET and maybe slot EPtW1 in place of ET1]
HE1 TSS2
FAW1 APB/D1 APB/D2

Lose the DBB's and go for single beam arrays.
Lose the RCS, they're percentage of base based, and a percentage of not alot is still not alot.
Would recommend getting the borg engine, for the 3 piece heal.
I would lose the torps too, but that's more personal choice, some people would recommend a torp fore and aft.

The best thread in the entire forums about cruisers is Mavairos 'How to build a cruiser that is actually worth something', so check that out for pretty much all your cruiser needs.
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# 3
04-05-2012, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan_Trainor
Returning VA Interested in PVP
step away from your VA! start a new character and start pvping with it immediately. try to level as much as possible at pvp. all the extremely good advice and information in this forum is nothing compared to pvping from tier 1 on yourself and learning the feel for the game you can only get from playing it competitively. at low tiers, its not overwhelming, the learning curve is low, then it gradually gets more difficult but you will be ready by then.
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# 4
04-05-2012, 04:23 AM
Only use beam arrays on a cruiser or you'll gimp your damage.

You fire from above below or braods side and all 8 beams come to bear on target, as a cruiser you slo must maintain full speed to keep your defence high and beam arrays allow you to do this and still keep target in firing arc.

http://denkbassin.de/sto/ ,

The Hilbert guide has one of the best and easiest to use Cruiser and Escort builds
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# 5
04-05-2012, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
step away from your VA! start a new character and start pvping with it immediately. try to level as much as possible at pvp. all the extremely good advice and information in this forum is nothing compared to pvping from tier 1 on yourself and learning the feel for the game you can only get from playing it competitively. at low tiers, its not overwhelming, the learning curve is low, then it gradually gets more difficult but you will be ready by then.
Back in the day I didn't start pvping till RA. It wasn't exactly a big adjustment for me. But then, I had just come off of Starcraft, and Armored Core. Also I've found pvping at lowbie tier in this game does not prepare you for the end game pvp. At All. DPS is king at lowbie tiers, with it far outstriping heals due to how the scaling works, making it at best a crapshoot. It's not substantially slower. Easier to learn? Sort of due to less things to click other than that? It's non gratis. Yes it does a better job than the lolpve does but that's not saying much. I'd rather recommend someone level in a Shuttle, cause at least then when there's 4-7 npcs on the screen at once you'll at least have to up your power levels and move your ship into position, and you get to see just how much well timed ability use matters for killing targets. It's a much better tool than lowbie pvp imo.

Watch what your fellows do, carefully (the ones that get the job done) and find some friends to play with. I came out of the gate in STO as a non pug player and my fleet and I learned together. (pretty much all of them are gone now )


Also click my cruiser link in my sig. http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=249906 While hilbert's guide is good as well, it doesn't cover nearly as much subject matter as my thread does :p

Ditch Antiproton. It's the worst property or tied for it (at best) in the game due to it's heinously bad accuracy, it actually comes out just behind Accx3 Plasma weapons (after you factor in that almost everyone has a 20 percent resistance to plasma out of the gate) and only on par with AccX2 CrtH Plasma (actually the plas is still better but only just barely). It's overall damage just isn't good enough due to the fact that there are no Double Acc let alone Triple Acc Ap. Then you throw on the extra meager damage from plasma's dot and that plasma dot prevents non battlecloak and it comes out superior.

The rest of my advice is in my thread. Read my first post, and then click on the link to the table of contents. http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=229 and find the post that's relevant to your ship. (I also recommend you read the Doffs section as well as the Set items section. And my recommended Starter Spec)
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# 6
04-05-2012, 01:48 PM
you cant learn a single thing if your roflstomped in 1 voley and have no idea what to do about it. thats what starting out in pvp at high level is for most people, you see it almost every pub match. sure, dps dominates the lower tiers and healing aint much, but you cant 1 shot nearly as easily, the much tamer alpha's allow you more time to react and you can figure it out as you go along much easier.

lower level pvp was funner actually, there wasn't so much yoyo damaging and healing, it felt more realistic and trek like. i wish i could keep a character at tier 2 or 3 forever just to pvp with it.

it worked for me, didn't have any pvp experience prier to sto. i tried pvp with my then level cap character long ago and it didn't do so well. then i took the advice i now give and now im quite good at it, dominating the majority of the pubs im a part of.
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# 7
04-05-2012, 05:47 PM
Thanks to ALL for taking time to answer my post. The links helped alot.....hope to see you in PVP
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