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# 11
04-08-2012, 10:06 AM
Tactical capitans on Oddysey are free kill points for arena, don't mather how u set up the ship, u will always get ur *** kicked by good escorts.
For STF can do a decent job with a good build, but u will have lot less dps compared with an escort

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Forward Array: Phaser Dual Beam Bank Mk XII x2, Quantum Torpedo Launcher Mark XII x2
Rear Array: Phaser Turret Mk XII (considering changing to an array), Phaser Beam Array Mark XII x2, Quantum Torpedo Launcher Mark XII
awfull weapon layout. Rear with turret, beam and 2x quantum torpedos? lol Weird firing arc.

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Abilities:

Tactical: Tactical Team 1, Torp High Yield 2 & 3, Beam Overloads 1 & 2
Science: Science Team 1, Tractor Beam 1, Hazard Emitters 2
Engineering: Emergency Power to Shields 1, Engineering Team 2, Directed Energy Modulation 2, Aceton Beam 2 (gotta upgrade this, just realized, lol)
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poor single target damage (BO miss around 50% of times..), and no AoE damage. Totally useless for STF, if u use beams u must use FAW, and for STF Torpedo Spread is great.
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# 12
04-08-2012, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by playhard88
Tactical capitans on Oddysey are free kill points for arena, don't mather how u set up the ship, u will always get ur *** kicked by good escorts.
For STF can do a decent job with a good build, but u will have lot less dps compared with an escort

awfull weapon layout. Rear with turret, beam and 2x quantum torpedos? lol Weird firing arc.

poor single target damage (BO miss around 50% of times..), and no AoE damage. Totally useless for STF, if u use beams u must use FAW, and for STF Torpedo Spread is great.
A) I can't be bothered with PvP anymore. Played it for a while, had a great build, got sick of it and especially of prebuilt PvP fleets (nothing personal, just ruins the fun of "randomness" which to me - emphasis on TO ME - is the only POINT of PvP), dumped my set-up for it, and not coming back. Have fun with you and yours over there :-) Glad people still enjoy it.

B) As for "awful weapon layout", my BOFFs don't miss nearly as much as you suggest, torpedoes do solid damage, and with shields down on my targets, very much not an issue. Done very well in STFs and - guess what - have all my Mark XII MACO and Omega sets with no complaints from so-called "pro" EliteSTF players I've teamed with :p I have thought about slipping in a torpedo spread though, but FAW annoys me out of my skull - for a team build it makes sense, but you don't always get a great and well coordinated team even when teaming with random so-called pros, so my build is more "survive first".

And before anyone says I should always team with people I know, I try to when I can, but sometimes it's not possible, and honestly, it brings me back around to how I feel about "pre-builts" - gets old, annoying, and boring. What's the point of an MMO if you aren't going to test your skills of mad housing with random people doing random things? Sucks if they're bad (and offers a challenge), and is fun if they're good.

Timelord was curious for my build, I never said it was a pro build. Works for me, and has worked well.
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# 13
04-08-2012, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CorranQ View Post
A) I can't be bothered with PvP anymore. Played it for a while, had a great build, got sick of it and especially of prebuilt PvP fleets (nothing personal, just ruins the fun of "randomness" which to me - emphasis on TO ME - is the only POINT of PvP), dumped my set-up for it, and not coming back. Have fun with you and yours over there :-) Glad people still enjoy it.

B) As for "awful weapon layout", my BOFFs don't miss nearly as much as you suggest, torpedoes do solid damage, and with shields down on my targets, very much not an issue. Done very well in STFs and - guess what - have all my Mark XII MACO and Omega sets with no complaints from so-called "pro" EliteSTF players I've teamed with :p I have thought about slipping in a torpedo spread though, but FAW annoys me out of my skull - for a team build it makes sense, but you don't always get a great and well coordinated team even when teaming with random so-called pros, so my build is more "survive first".

And before anyone says I should always team with people I know, I try to when I can, but sometimes it's not possible, and honestly, it brings me back around to how I feel about "pre-builts" - gets old, annoying, and boring. What's the point of an MMO if you aren't going to test your skills of mad housing with random people doing random things? Sucks if they're bad (and offers a challenge), and is fun if they're good.

Timelord was curious for my build, I never said it was a pro build. Works for me, and has worked well.
As u want, i think anyone that understand a little about tacticals can see the many faults in your build, i invite u to play an STF with me whetever you want, and we check our dps using combat log parser, i can beat that i will do at least 2 o 3 times your damage if u use that build u posted before using a free tier4 fleet escort agaisnt your fancy tier 5 2k CP oddysey, and my ship isn't even buid for STF, my captian skills are for pure PvP.

And there are no "PRO's" in STF, i really don't understand how ppl can call himselft pro when there are just hitting sitting targets managed by a AI, at least in space combat, ground STF present more challenge, space STF are just to easy.
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# 14
04-08-2012, 11:39 AM
Thanks for the offer, but to put the point I was trying to convey in my last post across, I'm just not interested. I have fun, I enjoy my Odyssey, that's all that matters to me.

Though the OP and Timelord might like to take you up on that

Have a good one!
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# 15
04-08-2012, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by playhard88
As u want, i think anyone that understand a little about tacticals can see the many faults in your build, i invite u to play an STF with me whetever you want, and we check our dps using combat log parser, i can beat that i will do at least 2 o 3 times your damage if u use that build u posted before using a free tier4 fleet escort agaisnt your fancy tier 5 2k CP oddysey, and my ship isn't even buid for STF, my captian skills are for pure PvP.

And there are no "PRO's" in STF, i really don't understand how ppl can call himselft pro when there are just hitting sitting targets managed by a AI, at least in space combat, ground STF present more challenge, space STF are just to easy.
Faults? It's his build not yours. If it's fun for him isn't that more important than wipping out the ruler and seeing who has the biggest dps? As far as doing 2-3x his damage, you do realize you compared escorts to cruisers. That's like comparing apples to dogs.

No pro's in STF's, well I say there are no pro's in PVP. The winner is usually who can zerg first. Or who camps first.

I'm sorry, but you have the attitude that annoys the heck out of me.
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# 16
04-08-2012, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaFox
Faults? It's his build not yours. If it's fun for him isn't that more important than wipping out the ruler and seeing who has the biggest dps? As far as doing 2-3x his damage, you do realize you compared escorts to cruisers. That's like comparing apples to dogs.
The creator of the post asked if oddysey is a good ship for buy or not, no for a "fun ship". For Fun u can do whatever u want, fly a delta flyer if that give to u fun. I think his concern is about if the ship is GOOD or not.

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No pro's in STF's, well I say there are no pro's in PVP. The winner is usually who can zerg first. Or who camps first.

I'm sorry, but you have the attitude that annoys the heck out of me.
Well, that prove that u have no idea about pvp And the attitude annoyss u because u simple don't understand my point.


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Thanks for the offer, but to put the point I was trying to convey in my last post across, I'm just not interested. I have fun, I enjoy my Odyssey, that's all that matters to me.
If fine man, the main idea of this is have fun, i understand your point.
But now understand mine, i don't have fun when my ship sucks, that's all, i got fun trying to improve my ship in order to make it better and better.
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# 17
04-08-2012, 12:06 PM
Now, back to the topic.

I'm a tac in the free odyssey, and I love it! As soon as I can, I'm buying the tac odyssey. With proper skills it can sit at 125 weapon power, therefore freeing up some engineer boffs powers for other things, like EPtS.

My current free odyssey is this:

Eng Cdr: EPtW1, ET2, Aux to SIF 2, Eject Warp Plasma 2
Uni Eng Lt Cdr: EPtW1, RSP1, DEM 2
Tac Lt: FAW 1, Torp Spread 2
Sci Lt: HE 1, TSS 2
Sci Ensign: Science team

This was just something thrown together when I first got the Odyssey, but it works. I don't do PVP ever and for STF's I'm waiting to grind out enough for the tac odyssey. The Lt Cdr will be a tac boff and the ensign will be an engineer. Not sure what the end boff powers will be yet.
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# 18
04-08-2012, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by playhard88
The creator of the post asked if oddysey is a good ship for buy or not, no for a "fun ship". For Fun u can do whatever u want, fly a delta flyer if that give to u fun. I think his concern is about if the ship is GOOD or not.
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Well, that prove that u have no idea about pvp And the attitude annoyss u because u simple don't understand my point.
Fun and good are the same thing in my mind. If I had an I-win ship but didn't enjoy flying it, I'd drop it in a heartbeat.

Should I have put a smiley in that part to let you know I was being sarcastic?
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# 19
04-08-2012, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaFox
Now, back to the topic.

I'm a tac in the free odyssey, and I love it! As soon as I can, I'm buying the tac odyssey. With proper skills it can sit at 125 weapon power, therefore freeing up some engineer boffs powers for other things, like EPtS.
I still have the free Odyssey stashed away =D So I know how you feel!

Your build looks pretty nice to me, the only thing I'm iffy about is actually on the Tac Odyssey versus the Free Odyssey, if you're not going for the flagship pack. :-/

The the thing is that the only real difference you'll pick up on is the +10 to weapons, but you still have +5 in Shields and Auxiliary, and yes, you do feel the boost to weapons a bit, but I'm not sure you'll feel it enough to be happy about the buy. I would suggest aiming for the flagship pack with Tac/Eng/Sci Odysseys so you can use the three consoles for the Engineering bonus that comes from using the set, and apply them to a Tac Odyssey as this will give you a lot more bang for your Cryptic Points buck, or in STO's own words:

"Equip all three Odyssey special consoles on the Odyssey Advanced Cruiser of your choice to get the set bonus that will reduce the recharge time of all Odyssey console abilities and improve your Starship EPS, Starship Hull Plating and Starship Armor Reinforcement skills. The set bonus also slightly increases the Odyssey's Turn Rate."

That's when you really feel the difference the most IMO, but, buuuut, I haven't honestly tried my Tac Odyssey without the consoles, yet. So take this with a grain of salt if you will, especially since we're talking another 2000 CP if you go for the pack o_O
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# 20
04-08-2012, 12:33 PM
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I still have the free Odyssey stashed away =D So I know how you feel!

Your build looks pretty nice to me, the only thing I'm iffy about is actually on the Tac Odyssey versus the Free Odyssey, if you're not going for the flagship pack. :-/

The the thing is that the only real difference you'll pick up on is the +10 to weapons, but you still have +5 in Shields and Auxiliary, and yes, you do feel the boost to weapons a bit, but I'm not sure you'll feel it enough to be happy about the buy. I would suggest aiming for the flagship pack with Tac/Eng/Sci Odysseys so you can use the three consoles for the Engineering bonus that comes from using the set, and apply them to a Tac Odyssey as this will give you a lot more bang for your Cryptic Points buck, or in STO's own words:

"Equip all three Odyssey special consoles on the Odyssey Advanced Cruiser of your choice to get the set bonus that will reduce the recharge time of all Odyssey console abilities and improve your Starship EPS, Starship Hull Plating and Starship Armor Reinforcement skills. The set bonus also slightly increases the Odyssey's Turn Rate."

That's when you really feel the difference the most IMO, but, buuuut, I haven't honestly tried my Tac Odyssey without the consoles, yet. So take this with a grain of salt if you will, especially since we're talking another 2000 CP if you go for the pack o_O
At first I wanted the whole enchilada, but I eventually felt like it wasn't really worth it to me. Playing with the whole set on tribble, I wasn't wowed by the set bonus. Also I have never been a fan of saucer seperation, and the workbees annoy me for some reason. Now a deployable escort, that's cool. I'm also fine with it's turn rate. It feels like a starship, not a fighter *glares at escorts*. It's inertia is the one thing I don't like about it. Though really what originally attracted me to the Odyssey was the fact it's GINORMOUS!! Not fat like the galaxy ships.
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