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# 11
04-22-2012, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by KaneCabal View Post
I find 50 unnecessary.
If this person isn't ruining the game for others then it doesn't matter what they do with their time. The C-Store is nothing but hats anyway. Forget about it and get back to the pew pew pew.
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# 12
04-22-2012, 08:03 PM
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You could buy 72000 dilithium for about $5.

I wouldn't quit my day job to do what you described.
^this.............
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# 13
04-22-2012, 08:16 PM
Report Foundry missions if they're exploits. Other than that, I wouldn't worry too much.
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# 14
04-22-2012, 08:31 PM
To the OP, with all the dilithium sinks and the dilithium exchange set up the way it is, unfortunately cryptic needs people like your friend to keep the exchange funded.

Could you imagine what the exchange would be like if EVERYONE plays the way you want them to, with one or two characters and having to grind and scrimp and save for every bit of dilithium. If everyone played that way they wouldnt have enough dilithium to both equip their characters and sell on the exchange, therefore the exchange would be empty and cryptic wouldnt get any money from it.

The diltihium exchange needs people like your friend to generate a lot of dilithium and pump it out to the masses, as its almost a guarantee that there are more people wanting to splash the cash and get their dilithium instantly than have to spend weeks or even months grinding for it themselfs.

Unfortunately STO's F2P is aimed at the quick cash grab, Cryptic are hoping that new players will come in and buy the +1 ships then find they need a LOT of dilithium to buy gear for their shiney new ships, so its spending more money for lots of dilithium to buy the gear (thats why dilithium grinding normally takes so long, to force the players into the exchange), thats the way the games setup, with the fast leveling to keep players occupied and fool them into thinking they are advancing to keep them spending money. Its a flawed system as the only way to fund a LOT of new players is for the few people with the time and the motivation to farm a LOT of dilithium.

At the end of the day if cryptic has any sense they wont do squat to change this, they NEED the dilithium farmers as without the farmers the dilithium exchange will lie empty unable to feed the masses wanting dilithium and this would mean a loss of profit for cryptic unless they stock the exchange themselfs and that could open a whole new can of worms for them.
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# 15
04-22-2012, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by KaneCabal View Post
My friend is doing the resettle colonists, so he has 5x50 colonists which equals 250 colonists to use for all one account, or character. He is doing the 1-Minute foundry quests for Investigate Officer Reports which equals 72,000 Dilithium DAILY! He created fleets with his friends and kicked them all out (with their permission) to use them on his own, so he has basically Fleet Banks and personal Banks for his deposits. I could go on the list, but for users who spend time getting something it's a kick in the butt.
He's spending time to get everything. Regardless how you see it. There are people who just love farming in games. He has to deal with 50 characters. Asking people to create fleets, then dump them. Trigger all the missions. Its still work in the game. He's following the games limitations. Just like how I only bought one ship from the C-store. And the rest of the rare ship items where built with my friends C-points. This is a legal way to bypass me paying or grinding for dilithium.
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# 16
04-22-2012, 09:42 PM
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No, I am not jealous. I just find it ridiculous that someone can have 50 chars. That would be the same having multi accounts and using them to gain a benefit from everyone else. I think Cryptic should really decreases (as in from 50 to lower) the limit. I find 50 unnecessary.
I find you obsessing over someone else's game play rather childish...IF he isn't exploiting or abusing game mechanics why is it any of your business what he does? Does he grief you or negatively hinder you from being in game and playing the game yourself? No? Then there is nothing wrong with it. I myself had at 1 point 10 characters. If he enjoys what he does in game and doesnt violate any of the rules/regs etc etc...then its none of our business.....

BTW...do you for a FACT know he has 50 characters? He admitted it to you or you've seen all 50 characters? Thats a lot of time/energy/money to put into the game and if he does indeed have 50 characters and has put that much time/effort/money into the game then leave him alone.....
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# 17
04-22-2012, 09:52 PM
I'm confused.

Regardless of how many toons he's doing his Officer Reports (Dailies) with, it's only 2000 dil per toon per day.

How is he transferring his dilithium between toons in order to make these small amounts into this 72000 dil pile? Is he converting it all to c-point? At that point, how is he transferring his c-points between toons?

I'm not very savvy at the dilithium market but I don't see how he's able to compile it all together to be able to buy anything he wants from the market. I mean, making 72000 dil between 50 toons doesn't mean he's able to use it all at once...or does it?

I'm genuinely curious.
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# 18
04-22-2012, 11:17 PM
put the dith on the market @ 50dil to 1c on character A

got to character B and cancel the transaction and there you go

now character B has the dilithium from A
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# 19
04-23-2012, 05:03 AM
I can see uses for many many characters (I currently have ten) I don't actually do foundry missions at the moment.
But 50 seems a lot

lets see
There are 12 Races im interested in
Three specialties and some combinations just don't work well (example Ferengi tactical officers)
at most im going to want about 30
Unless they bring in merchant ships , romulans , or Tholians

but if they play them good luck to them
Personally I would NEVER want to exploit anything (its against regs)
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# 20
04-23-2012, 06:35 AM
This doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Though it's a bit complex to explain why. Let me try:


First of all, if someone actually has 50 characters, which assumes there's no cap on the amount of characters you can have, then that means they had to purchase those character slots.

Every point of dilithium earned through the method the OP claims someone is doing (And it's highly suspect. Though that's something to address later.) has to be manually earned through extremely tedious gameplay.


Now, where the alleged person is doing this has his plan fall apart is in that for the time spent, he's really not gaining anything. There are no "pay to win" consumables this person would get for this. Just cosmetic items and unique variants.

Past a certain number of characters, gains from this method start to become "fluff". At three to five characters you can easily earn a hundred to two hundred or so points per day with proper planning and careful action by hitting their cap. In other words, this person, if he exists, is putting out effort for no real usable rewards compared to what's available to everyone else. He's essentially designed a masterfully inefficient way to farm dilithium.

What's important to keep in mind is that to achieve so many active characters would require a titanic amount of effort and c-points. An amount of effort that vastly outweighs the gain of it, in fact. This person had to spend c-points on many character slots before he could see some sort of "gain" off of it. He then had to level each character up to the point where they could reasonably get an amount of dilithium that isn't a pittance, then log in every day to gain that dilithium. In short, he had to be chained to his computer from just about the point where he wakes up, and the point he goes to sleep.

In order to break even he also would need to earn back the c-points he spent on slots by earning dilithium. Dilithium tends to fluctuate between 250 at the lowest and 300 at the highest. At 1.4K dilithium per character, that's not many points for the effort that goes into it. So if he spent actual money on this scheme, then he not only is wasting his time, but also his cash too.


The only thing I can see that is bad about this, aside from the fact that if this person exists (And I highly doubt that.) they desperately need someone to stage an intervention on their behalf, is that it could potentially be abused by a group of people to grief the Dilithium Exchange through manipulative price control.

But the way the exchange works, you can only artificially boost stuff upwards so long as you have dilithium stored up to cover the artificial inflation. It would eventually settle back down unless Cryptic did something to decrease the rate that inflation dissipates. And the amount of dilithium you'd need to do that would necessitate a fleet of people working together given the number of c-points going on the exchange per day.



Basically, this guy, again, if he even exists, is the equivalent of a "whale" at a casino. A whale is someone who throws out a stupidly large amount of money on a recreational activity like gambling. Only unlike a whale, he can't get comped on his spending and essentially wasted any money and time he spent. Which given how expensive things like extra slots are, was probably quite a bit.

Either way, Cryptic must be very happy at the moment.
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