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# 21
04-23-2012, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by You_Died_Lol
Lol. You assume that people who use a siphon drone build are completely retarded and have never used another ship before.

Hate to burst your DELUDED bubble of self glorification but as a KDF player from pretty much release of this "mmo" we have had nothing to do EXCEPT pvp and master piloting tactics.

I dont know you. You may be good or you may suck hairy balls, frankly I dont care. BUT i do not dare criticise other players and assume they have 0 pilot skills, because they use a build that I cannot beat.

I would love to see somone take up your challenge and submit you to a good *** whooping for your ignorance.

Me personally do it? Add me Tunguska@Iam_Pulsar, If im around and have time for your "Games" I may be inclined to humour you. If your statement was just macho posturing, then dont and go back to raging on forums.

Anyone with half a brain cell knows not all player builds are beatable 1v1. There are many build types that are nigh on impossible to beat single handedly.

For example, Look up YODA from the fleet ISC (often found in Kerrat), he runs a beastly defiant which i can say is probably one of the strongest builds ive seen in the game. I've seen him tank several ships and score kills at the same time. Does that mean his build is OP and we should have whatever he's using nerfed?

No because he's taken time to put together a build that works just right. This is the same with power siphon drone builds. A build that if half assed put together wont last two passes from a good team in kerrat or Arena.

Just because you guys cant beat this siphon drone build singlehandedly doesnt mean you cant beat it in a team. Remember, this is an MMO not a single player action adventure game. Team work is REQUIRED.

This game has become a joke, instead of people overcoming and adapting to tactics, they rage, cry, whine and scream unfair and overpowered.
I don't hate at all to burst your bubble because you are full of crap.Power siphones needs some adjustment at least with how much they drein because at the moment they can drein entire ship under 3 seconds. I would know because we tested this in 5vs5 private match.
We had 2 crusers with faw but once there 2 carrier fully deployed power siphones it was impossible to get close enaugh with out geting killed to take them out.
Even when the cruser did manage to get into position they were quickly killed by the rest because there shields were down or had so low point in them they were killed by BoP in 1 salvo.
Because this was friendly game we try to find anyway to deal with them even flying cruser with full impulse in the middle of kdf center and pop the weapon battery and use faw it kinda work for like 1 sec until the drones drein them bought. In prolong battle thos who have power siphones will always win it is a fact.

PS: if you would actually be in pvp community you would know who Mavairo is, that and some others of your remarks lead me to belive you have no idea what you talking about and you just trolling for attention that and defending your broken build.
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# 22
04-23-2012, 10:47 AM
If you can't beat it.. nerf it?

Sad way of doing things.

Just make the Fed all have one shot kills, then you'll will be happy I'm sure.
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# 23
04-23-2012, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bigduckie
I made a power drain carrier build back when faws was king. The siphons died on the launching pad.

Maybe they buff faw again to fix? edit - I havent touched a carrier since
I've tried a 1-1 vs a klink friend, me bortasqu, him carrier w siphon drones. Those drones died in few beams from faw, when again, faw was 100% accurate. Now, I have acc x3 beams (whick never miss any drone) and I still haven't seen a real threat from those drones in my rare kvk matches.

I see the issue here comes when there are more carriers w siphons, you get involved in a fight, you don't notice siphons getting close, yea, you'll die very soon. But with the proper setup, those suckers won't even get close. I don't see this as an issue in a premade either. Because you'll pay attention and won't let them get close. But in a pug, if you don't have crowd control abilities (faw, csv, gw, tr, etc), it's almost a sentence to death.
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# 24
04-23-2012, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Anathosion View Post
I don't hate at all to burst your bubble because you are full of crap.Power siphones needs some adjustment at least with how much they drein because at the moment they can drein entire ship under 3 seconds. I would know because we tested this in 5vs5 private match.
We had 2 crusers with faw but once there 2 carrier fully deployed power siphones it was impossible to get close enaugh with out geting killed to take them out.
Even when the cruser did manage to get into position they were quickly killed by the rest because there shields were down or had so low point in them they were killed by BoP in 1 salvo.
Because this was friendly game we try to find anyway to deal with them even flying cruser with full impulse in the middle of kdf center and pop the weapon battery and use faw it kinda work for like 1 sec until the drones drein them bought. In prolong battle thos who have power siphones will always win it is a fact.

PS: if you would actually be in pvp community you would know who Mavairo is, that and some others of your remarks lead me to belive you have no idea what you talking about and you just trolling for attention that and defending your broken build.
Honestly, I don't know how much can a siphon drain. Maybe they keep stacking. I have no clue. But if they stack, that's bad. I agree to this: if they get to you, you're dead in few seconds. Otherwise, they are easy to kill. I always try to stay away of carriers till I figure out what they carry, lol. And karfis or any flight deck cruiser for that reason. I also have an unconventional beam boat, I have a torp spread ready. That obliterates the poor siphons instantly. And no power needed to fire torps either, even though wont necessary save your a$$.

Again, I don't possess enough info to say they are op or not. Just posting some observations.
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# 25
04-23-2012, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveHale View Post
There are great tactics and then there are broken mechanics. Experienced players won't often confuse the two, nor is it likely that they will attempt to defend the broken ones. I could have had a hell of a tactic set up when MACO Shields were reducing damage to 10% rather than by 10%. Just because it would have been effective doesn't mean I'm great or that the build was.

Anyone can create a build around something that is broken or over powered. It's not that hard nor is it as impressive as some seem to think, lol. Sorry that balance is such a threat to some.
How long have power siphon drones been in the game? Have they been changed..ever? Has anyone at cryptic thought, "holy ****! better nerf those drones"...nope.

MACO shields were changed as soon as devs realised they were not working AS intended.

And as for the guy who said I wasnt a part of the pvp community, jump off mavs knob k? im not into celebrity p33n0r tasting culture on sto forums, im just a guy who sucessfully pvp's regularly with SEVERAL builds and Im well in my right to defend my opinions whether you think they are right or not. Only a troll such as yourself would brush aside an argument with a bs story about "oh me and mai fri3ndz did a scientific test and your wrong kthx"

In conclusion, cry some more, devs will not change power siphons, learn to adapt, if you cant. quit and go play pve where its safe.
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# 26
04-23-2012, 11:36 AM
hmm IDK, they do die pretty easily. You have to be right on top of someone to get them off without going down.

How many cruisers have FaW? When I pvp I'd have to say all of them. With an average pug I see anywhere from 3 to 4 cruisers. How hard would it be to keep a boff with csv 1 or 2 instead of another rapid fire? It's not like you dont have all the time in the world to swap when your in a cloaked defiant.


whats more of a problem, these siphons or phaser/crono procs? It might just depend on what side you play on.
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# 27
04-23-2012, 11:37 AM
No need to take offense, it's nothing personal. The point is that people tried to defend the MACO bug too. They were wrong and so are you. It'll be ok.
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# 28
04-23-2012, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by You_Died_Lol
How long have power siphon drones been in the game? Have they been changed..ever? Has anyone at cryptic thought, "holy ****! better nerf those drones"...nope.

MACO shields were changed as soon as devs realised they were not working AS intended.

And as for the guy who said I wasnt a part of the pvp community, jump off mavs knob k? im not into celebrity p33n0r tasting culture on sto forums, im just a guy who sucessfully pvp's regularly with SEVERAL builds and Im well in my right to defend my opinions whether you think they are right or not. Only a troll such as yourself would brush aside an argument with a bs story about "oh me and mai fri3ndz did a scientific test and your wrong kthx"

In conclusion, cry some more, devs will not change power siphons, learn to adapt, if you cant. quit and go play pve where its safe.
The same could be said about Target Shields III back around Season 1. Escorts (and carriers) could stack TS III and bring your shields down without an issue. The counter? "Pop a shield battery" Do you realize how long the CD on TS III is vs. the CD of a battery? 45 seconds vs. a couple of minutes. The Devs never said they would change it, but they did, once they realized how powerful it was. Now it doesn't stack, and in fact, due to Power Insulators, it's worthless!

As for counters to Power Siphon drones:
FaW
CSV - have to line it up, difficult if they are behind you
Torp Spread - see above
Mines - don't always target drones, due to proximity
EWP - only on cruisers and the Nebula
PSW - only on sci ships, the Ody, and the MVAE

1 carrier isn't the real issue, it's multiple. The same could be said about CPB, which was recently nerfed into the ground. And don't say "Well, what do I loose in return by using 3 carriers on my team." An escort with no power can't do anything, and a BoP with decent firepower can kill and escort that isn't moving, even through heals.
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# 29
04-23-2012, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveHale View Post
No need to take offense, it's nothing personal. The point is that people tried to defend the MACO bug too. They were wrong and so are you. It'll be ok.
Well your entitled to your opinion, as wrong as i think you are. the one thing you are right about is it all being ok. Yeah it is for me. not so much for you and those of you who think they should have a I Win button against anything that requires cunning and team work to overcome. good luck I have a feeling you need it.


Ikrit, I agree with you to an extent, fighting off a single carrier is difficult but achieveble nonetheless. It does get kinda retarded when there are 3 or 4 carriers throwing siphons and fighters out.

Maybe put in a mechanism where only a certain number of drones can affect you at any given time.even thought there may be 25+ circling you.

Currently there is no limit (as far as I am aware) and 12 drones can be launched quite rapidly with flight deck doffs.
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# 30
04-23-2012, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by You_Died_Lol
How long have power siphon drones been in the game? Have they been changed..ever? Has anyone at cryptic thought, "holy ****! better nerf those drones"...nope.

MACO shields were changed as soon as devs realised they were not working AS intended.

And as for the guy who said I wasnt a part of the pvp community, jump off mavs knob k? im not into celebrity p33n0r tasting culture on sto forums, im just a guy who sucessfully pvp's regularly with SEVERAL builds and Im well in my right to defend my opinions whether you think they are right or not. Only a troll such as yourself would brush aside an argument with a bs story about "oh me and mai fri3ndz did a scientific test and your wrong kthx"

In conclusion, cry some more, devs will not change power siphons, learn to adapt, if you cant. quit and go play pve where its safe.
Troll all the way.
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