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# 31
04-26-2012, 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magniacapra
The version I posted doubles down even more on engineering in a way the MVAE did to the adv escort.
Quote:
Stats are more or less exactly the same as the current fleet escort, except:
- The 2 engineering bridge officers are merged into 1 LT Commander station, Science becomes an Ensign station and you get a universal ensign station in addition.
a LTC engineer
ENSIGN science
ENSIGN universal
LTC tactical
COMMANDER tactical

set-up it would seem.
Except the MVA did it without a Universal slot and a second LTC slot.
Doesn't seems very balanced upon first glance.

why not?

LTC Engineer
Ensign Science
Ensign Universal
LT tactical
Commander tactical
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# 32
04-26-2012, 12:56 PM
I can see no good reason to make a +1 version of it. Its current popularity is probably due to the fact that it is "free" and it is possibly the toughest escort in the game. Making a +1 Prometheus made a lot of sense because it was a canon ship and people were willing to pay for the gimmick they saw on screen.

The fleet escort by contrast is not canon and is a fantastic ship the way it is. If Cryptic is going to slap +1 on an existing ship, I want to see them do the treatment for the Sovereign and the Akira. I do not want to see any more Cryptic-designed ships in the c-store until every canon ship is in there.
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# 33
04-26-2012, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Roach View Post
a LTC engineer
ENSIGN science
ENSIGN universal
LTC tactical
COMMANDER tactical

set-up it would seem.
Except the MVA did it without a Universal slot and a second LTC slot.
Doesn't seems very balanced upon first glance.

why not?

LTC Engineer
Ensign Science
Ensign Universal
LT tactical
Commander tactical
In that case I'd personally prefer:
Cmdr Tactical
LT Cmdr Tactical
LT Cmdr engineering
Ensign science.

With no universal ensign.
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# 34
04-26-2012, 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magniacapra
In that case I'd personally prefer:
Cmdr Tactical
LT Cmdr Tactical
LT Cmdr engineering
Ensign science.

With no universal ensign.
Actually, when you count the BOFF slots I think I was right the first time round:

Fleet Escort:
Cmdr Tac = 4
LT Cmdr Tac = 3
LT Science = 2
LT Engineer = 2
Ensign Engineer = 1

Total = 12

MVAE
Cmdr Tac = 4
LT Cmdr Science = 3
LT Tactical = 2
LT Engineer = 2
Ensign Tactical = 1

Total = 12



Fleet Escort Retrofit
Cmdr Tac = 4
LT Cmdr Tac = 3
Ensign Science = 1
LT Cmdr Engineer = 3
Ensign Universal = 1

Total = 12



Unless you had issue with it specifically having 2 LT Cmdr slots?
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# 35
04-26-2012, 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magniacapra
Actually, when you count the BOFF slots I think I was right the first time round:

Fleet Escort:
Cmdr Tac = 4
LT Cmdr Tac = 3
LT Science = 2
LT Engineer = 2
Ensign Engineer = 1

Total = 12

MVAE
Cmdr Tac = 4
LT Cmdr Science = 3
LT Tactical = 2
LT Engineer = 2
Ensign Tactical = 1

Total = 12



Fleet Escort Retrofit
Cmdr Tac = 4
LT Cmdr Tac = 3
Ensign Science = 1
LT Cmdr Engineer = 3
Ensign Universal = 1

Total = 12



Unless you had issue with it specifically having 2 LT Cmdr slots?

There's precedent with the Vo'quv for the following

Comm Sci
Lt Comm Tac
Lt Comm Eng
Lt Sci


But neither of the 2 Lt Comm stations are the same profession as the Comm Station.
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# 36
04-26-2012, 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magniacapra
Actually, when you count the BOFF slots I think I was right the first time round:

Fleet Escort:
Cmdr Tac = 4
LT Cmdr Tac = 3
LT Science = 2
LT Engineer = 2
Ensign Engineer = 1

Total = 12

MVAE
Cmdr Tac = 4
LT Cmdr Science = 3
LT Tactical = 2
LT Engineer = 2
Ensign Tactical = 1

Total = 12



Fleet Escort Retrofit
Cmdr Tac = 4
LT Cmdr Tac = 3
Ensign Science = 1
LT Cmdr Engineer = 3
Ensign Universal = 1

Total = 12



Unless you had issue with it specifically having 2 LT Cmdr slots?
That is an area of concern when coupled with a Universal Slot.
Only the VoQuv has two LTC slot and it is restricted to 11 BOffs for that Setting, So I would say lose the Universal Slot.

I must say that this is givng me ideas for a +1 raptor.
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# 37
04-26-2012, 01:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by USS_Ultimatum
There's precedent with the Vo'quv for the following

Comm Sci
Lt Comm Tac
Lt Comm Eng
Lt Sci


But neither of the 2 Lt Comm stations are the same profession as the Comm Station.
That too, but a FE+1 with a (which is the only thing I could come up with)
Commander Tactical
LTC Science
LTC Engineer
Ensign Tactical
seems for more out-of-balance to me.
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# 38
04-26-2012, 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roach View Post
That is an area of concern when coupled with a Universal Slot.
Only the VoQuv has two LTC slot and it is restricted to 11 BOffs for that Setting, So I would say lose the Universal Slot.

I must say that this is givng me ideas for a +1 raptor.
What happens if we lost the science ensign?... :p
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# 39
04-26-2012, 02:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magniacapra
What happens if we lost the science ensign?... :p
I think we lose balance.

The layout with the most possibility for actual traction, realistically, would be:

TAC Comm (4)
TAC Lt (2)
TAC Ens (1)
ENG Lt Comm (3)
SCI Lt (2)
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# 40
04-26-2012, 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by USS_Ultimatum
I think we lose balance.

The layout with the most possibility for actual traction, realistically, would be:

TAC Comm (4)
TAC Lt (2)
TAC Ens (1)
ENG Lt Comm (3)
SCI Lt (2)
I'd settle for that but I would actually much, rather have the one with 2 lt cmdrs and 11 BOFF slots.
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