Lt. Commander
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Most of the Veteran players are dealing with this growing issue that involves many new players. This issue or issues deals with new players thinking "lone wolf" in a team missions. Since leveling is crazy fast and training with new players are limited. Game play also has a lot of single player missions.
I think we need to have "Requirements" for every player who plays a STF missions.

One of the requirements could be going to Elite Force training camp.
Where players learn things like teamwork and know how to use skills than just firing phasers.
Things that will train you for a STF mission.

Requirement two would be equipment that the player must have. Blocking players who have common equipment and doesn't have equipment for their rank.
This will cause new players to buy or do missions to get rare equipment to play a STF mission.

Requirement three is time outs and planning time. When you reach a point where the teammates has to work together and plan their attack. Where all member have to confirm they know each other plans than a lone player starts with out other players being aware.

Some of these requirements maybe won't work. But I like someone at Cryptic to look into how to get more teamwork in PVP and PVE when it's needed.

I am opening the floor for other ideas, getting players to work together more, and teaching how to play within the higher levels.
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# 2
04-20-2012, 11:09 PM
A better idea would be banning every STF elitist player that thinks everyone else should WORK instead of playing the game.

I am REALLY getting fed up with this attitude ... you know what? after, I think its been a month, since I did a STF I was bored and decided to do Cure Space because its always been my favorite one and I PUG on normal and all I had were good players, I kinda feel bad because I was really not geared for it but the two Klingon players were damn good, I think we kinda had a rainbow Oddy but I did not payed attention (also I was in a Rainbow escort that was worst) and we did everything, got the optional and all.

It was my farewell to STFs and as I was thinking of perhaps start doing then again I now see this ... desire to do so evaporated.
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# 3
04-20-2012, 11:20 PM
although doing PUG is rather annoying as some people the day they reach level 50 go into an elite without even playing a normal, i think the ONLY restriction should be to play between 1-5 games of that STF in normal first, just so they get used to it, but if your so concerned about it just play with a premade team
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# 4
04-20-2012, 11:55 PM
Shuttles with holo emitters make elite STFs super fun!
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# 5
04-20-2012, 11:59 PM
Most of the New players are dealing with this growing issue that involves many veteran players. This issue or issues deals with veteran players thinking expecting new players to "know" the mission without having played the mission. Since leveling is crazy fast and training with new players are limited. Game play also has a lot of single player missions. I think we need to have "Requirements" for every player who plays a STF missions. Every veteran group should "HAVE" to bring along a new player and train them up.


Yes I am being slightly tongue in cheek above, however it is true - a lot of veterans (particularly it seems those vocal on the forums) forget they were also nubs, noobs, or whatever their preferred term is when it comes to game content. Someone took the time to take them through the missions or at least had the patience to group with them despite the chance of failure. I guess what I am saying is that it is up to everyone to "pay it forward" - pass on the knowledge to new players - not exclude or ridicule them. Otherwise one day all your fellow existing veterans will have got bored and moved on to other games and there won't be any more "elite" new players for you to group with.
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# 6
04-21-2012, 12:05 AM
maybe play normal 10 times FIRST
but gear? your "elite" gear is not the only option you too can lose
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# 7
04-21-2012, 12:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CommanderRasseru
Most of the Veteran players are dealing with this growing issue that involves many new players. This issue or issues deals with new players thinking "lone wolf" in a team missions. Since leveling is crazy fast and training with new players are limited. Game play also has a lot of single player missions.
I think we need to have "Requirements" for every player who plays a STF missions.

One of the requirements could be going to Elite Force training camp.
Where players learn things like teamwork and know how to use skills than just firing phasers.
Things that will train you for a STF mission.

Requirement two would be equipment that the player must have. Blocking players who have common equipment and doesn't have equipment for their rank.
This will cause new players to buy or do missions to get rare equipment to play a STF mission.

Requirement three is time outs and planning time. When you reach a point where the teammates has to work together and plan their attack. Where all member have to confirm they know each other plans than a lone player starts with out other players being aware.

Some of these requirements maybe won't work. But I like someone at Cryptic to look into how to get more teamwork in PVP and PVE when it's needed.

I am opening the floor for other ideas, getting players to work together more, and teaching how to play within the higher levels.
People like you are what makes STFs unattractive. Keep up the good work and someday you'll never have to play with anyone in an STF ever again (you'll be the only one doing them).
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# 8
04-21-2012, 12:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liath
Yes I am being slightly tongue in cheek above, however it is true - a lot of veterans (particularly it seems those vocal on the forums) forget they were also nubs, noobs, or whatever their preferred term is when it comes to game content. Someone took the time to take them through the missions or at least had the patience to group with them despite the chance of failure. I guess what I am saying is that it is up to everyone to "pay it forward" - pass on the knowledge to new players - not exclude or ridicule them. Otherwise one day all your fellow existing veterans will have got bored and moved on to other games and there won't be any more "elite" new players for you to group with.
I always try to help the new players and been patience with them. Yet, some new players are bad issue with patience and have a tongue of cursing to a veteran player who is trying to help them or another player.

It all comes down to two factors doing a STF Missions with Veterans and New players.
1. The New player willing to learn and have the patience with the Veteran player who did the mission many times.
2. The Veteran who is willing to help the new player and have the patience to teach them.

If the two groups don't get along... Then new players have to find another way to learn how to do the mission and maybe one way is the game forcing the new player to learn how to do it.
Forcing player how to learn cut out having a veteran player in teaching you. Then makes the game less like a MMO.

Quote:
Originally Posted by f2pdrakron
A better idea would be banning every STF elitist player that thinks everyone else should WORK instead of playing the game.
How can someone can play a game without working on their character? If you don't work on your character? You can't be successful in completing some missions. If no one works on their characters then everyone would be the same and not having the difference in character's usefulness.
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# 9
04-21-2012, 01:15 AM
I gotta say this issue is actually a very two sided and concerning issue. I started playing on the F2P launch and immediately subscribed due to the fact I wanted a few extra goodies, however, that being the case would still classify me as somewhat a new player though people say "at one time you were once a noob" yes this is true however as a noob I made it my responsibility to learn prior to jumping into a potentially dangerous situation such as an Elite STF upon hitting level 50. It's simple really ask questions, use zone chat, read the forums hell even use google. I don't understand why people feel the need to baby the noobs and say "it's ok we'll teach him as a veteran along the way." I did alot of research before jumping the gun and proud to say I achieved my MACO set, Omega Set, and proper (Acc X2) weapons and build prior to ever queuing for an Elite STF by running normals, practicing, saving up EDC spending 40 on a requisition and not once have I ever had my butt chewed for being the person to drag down the STF. I do agree that some steps need to be taken as far as one good suggestion I seen earlier was perhaps an accolade that you must complete a normal run of each STF 5-10 times before elite unlocks for you this would probably save a lot of hassle and bickering here on the forums and in the game. I personally get upset when i'm in a STF and when the rules are explained, calmly, or plan whichever you prefer that more often then not it is simply ignored, granted a few do listen, and I scratch my head saying this really isn''t hard but you all make it harder then it needs to be. I think the so called veterans and elitist have somewhat of a say and understandable frustration for those that fail to comply, listen, learn or even research a little bit before messing up something so easy I'm also sure someone will get upset by this but again from a prior, admitting, "noob" I learned it's not hard I don't see any excuse for anyone else to just slow down for two seconds and think about what they're getting into.
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# 10
04-21-2012, 01:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by f2pdrakron
I PUG on normal and all I had were good players, I kinda feel bad because I was really not geared for it but the two Klingon players were damn good, I think we kinda had a rainbow Oddy but I did not payed attention (also I was in a Rainbow escort that was worst) and we did everything, got the optional and all.
Hey, I like my rainbow Odyssey! Eight different colors of beams! Woo!

I also know better than to ever queue for an Elite STF, since I've literally never bothered to learn the differences between the weapons/procs, or considered what value Accuracy might have over Damage, or why one might choose CritD vs. CritH - for all the rest of the PvE content, it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter.

I can fly around with common gear two or more Mk's below my level and still succeed at any mission in the game. Leveling up, I frequently forget to replace the shields/armor/weapons of my BOffs for entire ranks with anything but drops, then end up bumping them all by 4+ Mk's when I finally remember to stop by an exchange console. Consequently: I have no head for STO gear. As far as actual gameplay goes, it's all roughly the same.

Unless... You PvP, or are an Elitist who wants to do STFs on Elite without ever missing a beat.
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