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# 141
06-10-2012, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Roche_Furman
Why didn't it fire out of more then one of it's 15 launchers either, or launching fighters? The same reason the Defiant never landed on a planet, dispite it's MSD clearly showing landing struts. SFX budget constrains.
if theres one constant in star trek, its that ships never fighter nearly to thier potential, only in some of the defiant battles, and the nemisis battle does it look like a ship is actually going all out. a good deal of that fight was off camera, but just a few fighters in the background would have finally made the point. too many torpedoes on the screen would take away from the prom doing its thing. they think we are stupid and cant keep track of which distinct looking ship is which.

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Originally Posted by Roche_Furman
Even Alex Jaeger has said it has forward shuttlebays.
http://www.starshipdatalink.net/art/akira.html
it also says it was gonna saucer separate. that, and the up front hanger bay and carrier concept are things that were not pursued and did not make the final cut onto the filming model. drawing board phase brain storming does not trump canon, and you cant park a Cadillac in a dog house.

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Hmm.. interesting... Especially with saying how the Akira is supposed to almost be as big as the Enterprise E (Some what) And with the mentions on the Shuttle bay description it definitely fits as a Carrier class. Escort Carrier might be like flight Deck Cruiser, but I don't think it will be. I suspect it'll be more like the Kar'fi Battle Carrier.
i highly doubt it, when have retrofits ever been that vastly different from early tier counterparts? it will have the same movement stats, just with a tier 5 number of stations, weapon slots and hitpoints, from there there is wiggle room.

a Kar'fi counterpart though? that say, specializes in engineering instead of science, has 2 hangers and moves like an escort? game over, no reason to fly anything else, it will be the mary sue Jaeger always wanted.
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# 142
06-10-2012, 07:50 PM
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i highly doubt it, when have retrofits ever been that vastly different from early tier counterparts? it will have the same movement stats, just with a tier 5 number of stations, weapon slots and hitpoints, from there there is wiggle room.
Granted that is more probable. How ever a Refit of the Akira as an "escort cruiser" is almost an excuse just to bring over the Kar'fi to the Fed side of the game, and maybe even give it a new set of Pets or two.

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a Kar'fi counterpart though? that say, specializes in engineering instead of science, has 2 hangers and moves like an escort? game over, no reason to fly anything else, it will be the mary sue Jaeger always wanted.
Now when did the Kar'fi move like an Escort? You obviously are over guessing this. The Kar'fi moves nimble even for a Cruiser turn rate. It could eaisly be used on the Akira, which I still feel very strongly it will be. Even if it's more Tactical then Sci based.

Of course a "Flight Deck" escort is also probable. Just make it's stats a Fleet Escort with 1 Hanger bay and limit it to not being able to use Delta Flyers or Stalker Fighters and it might work out. Doubt it though.
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# 143
06-10-2012, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kilawpilath View Post
Granted that is more probable. How ever a Refit of the Akira as an "escort cruiser" is almost an excuse just to bring over the Kar'fi to the Fed side of the game, and maybe even give it a new set of Pets or two.



Now when did the Kar'fi move like an Escort? You obviously are over guessing this. The Kar'fi moves nimble even for a Cruiser turn rate. It could eaisly be used on the Akira, which I still feel very strongly it will be. Even if it's more Tactical then Sci based.

Of course a "Flight Deck" escort is also probable. Just make it's stats a Fleet Escort with 1 Hanger bay and limit it to not being able to use Delta Flyers or Stalker Fighters and it might work out. Doubt it though.
well if the feds get a Kar'fi equivalent, and it is the akira, they would have to drastically alter its established movement stats and perceived tactical and engineering leaning feel. for it to be more Kar'fi like, basically a cruiser with to many sci and tac stations. i don't think they are going to do that to the akira, so that's why i think the akira will just be a flight deck escort (which it should NOT be) and something else entirely will be a Kar'fi equivalent. the feds will have a 1 to 1 match for all the tier 5 carrier ships then. nothing is sacred. oh and on tribble all but the stalker fighters are usable on the 'escort carrier'
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# 144
06-10-2012, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
if theres one constant in star trek, its that ships never fighter nearly to thier potential, only in some of the defiant battles, and the nemisis battle does it look like a ship is actually going all out. a good deal of that fight was off camera, but just a few fighters in the background would have finally made the point. too many torpedoes on the screen would take away from the prom doing its thing. they think we are stupid and cant keep track of which distinct looking ship is which.



it also says it was gonna saucer separate. that, and the up front hanger bay and carrier concept are things that were not pursued and did not make the final cut onto the filming model. drawing board phase brain storming does not trump canon, and you cant park a Cadillac in a dog house.

The forward bays doors did make it in to the final model.

"Moving forward the notch in the front of the saucer is the forward launch bay doors(3). This is for the fast exit of small craft into battle." - Alex Jaeger

Here's the shooting model: http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com...kira_front.jpg

and a screen from First Contact: http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com...rainaction.jpg

Here's a link to DrexFiles (Doug Drexler's blog): http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/...e-akira-class/


All that matters in the end is what ship's designer says of his/her design. Jaeger says there's a bay there. It's all that's needed to use is as a in-game element.
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# 145
06-11-2012, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Roche_Furman
The forward bays doors did make it in to the final model.

"Moving forward the notch in the front of the saucer is the forward launch bay doors(3). This is for the fast exit of small craft into battle." - Alex Jaeger

Here's the shooting model: http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com...kira_front.jpg

and a screen from First Contact: http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com...rainaction.jpg

Here's a link to DrexFiles (Doug Drexler's blog): http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/...e-akira-class/


All that matters in the end is what ship's designer says of his/her design. Jaeger says there's a bay there. It's all that's needed to use is as a in-game element.
The door may be there ,but at the canon size of the Akira, it won't fit Shuttles.
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# 146
06-11-2012, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Roche_Furman
The forward bays doors did make it in to the final model.

"Moving forward the notch in the front of the saucer is the forward launch bay doors(3). This is for the fast exit of small craft into battle." - Alex Jaeger

Here's the shooting model: http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com...kira_front.jpg

and a screen from First Contact: http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com...rainaction.jpg

Here's a link to DrexFiles (Doug Drexler's blog): http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/...e-akira-class/


All that matters in the end is what ship's designer says of his/her design. Jaeger says there's a bay there. It's all that's needed to use is as a in-game element.
you know, i really don't write these big posts that examine this exact thing for my benefit. maybe i just need to keep it more simple.

those 3 openings are literally 6 feet tall

they are only about 3/4 as tall as the saucer rim

the entire scale of the ship changed after the proportions were design locked, or jager didn't have a very good idea of the scale of the ship he designed

those are the only bay doors you ever see left open at all times on a starfleet ship, hmmm

there is no canon shuttle, worker bee or fighter those 3 openings could possibly launch.

in every picture you posted they look like windows, which would explain why they look like open

large lounges have been seen on the front of ships like that

the aft shuttle bay doors are 4 times larger, which might just barely fit a runabout

drawing board design phase ideas are not automatically canon, it saucer separating isn't canon ether

none of the stuff he claims is canon, unless it was seen in action on screen
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# 147
06-11-2012, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MustrumRidcully View Post
The door may be there ,but at the canon size of the Akira, it won't fit Shuttles.
There is no canon size for the Akira. The size according to various sources is anywhere from 260m, to 499m. Jaeger says the saucer is about as wide as the Sovereign's which would would put the ship in the 400m range, probably around 410-420m.
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# 148
06-11-2012, 01:35 AM
An "escort carrier" might inf act be something a bit different than a battle carrier, so I would say let's wait and see.

But in the meantime, why not propose some cool Kar'Fi builds?
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# 149
06-11-2012, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Roche_Furman
There is no canon size for the Akira. The size according to various sources is anywhere from 260m, to 499m. Jaeger says the saucer is about as wide as the Sovereign's which would would put the ship in the 400m range, probably around 410-420m.
ive been basing my arguments on the ship being even larger then that, 464m, the most likely accurate size of the ship based on escape pods being the same size as the ones on the sovereign
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# 150
06-11-2012, 02:15 AM
Using your size of 465m, I resized a couple of images of the Akira into MSPaint, used 1 pixel = 1 meter

I measured the thing in the front, and it came out at 7 meters (give or take 2 meters on either end, because it was somewhat hard to make out, and just to cover any slight resize error). So that "door/window" is roughly 16 - 29 feet in height.


EDIT: Scratch that, The size was off one of the images was WAY off...

ANOTHER EDIT: Found my mistake. It's probably between 9 feet and 16 feet in height.
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