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# 271
06-23-2012, 01:10 AM
sohie, you are failing continually.

have you played other video games?

im doubting you have.....
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# 272
06-23-2012, 01:18 AM
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Then I probably only imagined blowing up escorts with that build.
you probly just got luckly with noobs dude...honestly.......im not trying to rip you apart. i reserve that for ingame trash talk mostly and people that dont care about even semi balance and use the lame p2w stuff when in all honestly i know they are better players then that. so in another words when i see semi ok players abuse lameness its ok for me to disrespect them in many ways.


now for the escourts that you have poped ( i see no reason to lie. i thought i was awesome when i was blowing up people too till i stoped my 1v1 bs and got into real matches against awesome players ) i am glad that you are getting into pvp and starting with 1v1 first. it will give you a feel for the game and how it plays out. it will get you to time your powers and how to counter. again its small steps. crap it will even show you why using boarding party 3 is useless. 1v1 will show you what works what dont. but....humm... a big BUT........it will not gear you for team play.a good example was i loved bo3. its really good. killed alot of people with it solo. i got into pvp and found it much harder. crap i got less people with it and only got luckly with it. reason is with all the cross healing like extends just made me lose dps in the end. then mav came along and told me how to use it. you need a game plan. use tbr so that person cant get to the healer and if the healer shoots over with evasive the tbr will push him away and just unload the bo. i mean even in pvp im getting wacked all the time on my scourt with bo 2 bo 3 and use a simple use of epts i just lol it off and yell noobs at my screen while trying not to laugh so i can focus on my screen. cause i remember a time i thought bo was awesome to shoot at random too. or to try to take a shield facing down.

but in reality you take the facing down but still have the epts resist with tss and well many people have 3 purple sheild doffs. thoes are now my crutch. i no longer need to hit evasive as much and zoom around the map holding out for a heal. they keep you in the fight alot longer. see your in this carrier and think this fat piece of junk has so much hp that your chance of getting killed is slim to none. but your very wrong. my defiant has 70% on d. your carrier has 60%. alot of people have 80% d and 85% with aegis.( or 90%?) this is alot. sure my 70% d can go toe to toe with awesome players that have the 80%, but ill have to work for it. your 60%.......what are you thinking with not going epts?


listen lets do a 1v1. ill even take my sheilds off for you and see if you can kill me. ill shoot at you and use heals. if you cant kill me but i can pop you with no sheilds on will you at least try epts? im betting on my 70% defense and skill of using an escourt and buffs to keep me alive. the way i see it working in my head is that with you not using epts its basically the same thing.

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# 273
06-23-2012, 01:26 AM
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Yes, I did. Because there is a difference between using torps in the aft and being forced to use SNB in the front. Try it out.
i think using a sub nuke in the front is much easier then torps in the back. try it out.
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# 274
06-23-2012, 01:50 AM
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but you...........no epts? thats crazy.
You may be astonished, but I have read that dogma before. I came from commanding an assault cruiser with 2xEPTS3. Only to find out that I had too few hull heals if I did anything resembling that on the Atrox.

I know, in theory, that resistance bonus from EPTS and from the energy boost to shields should increase your survivability. But in practice, it doesn't.

The Atrox has a lot of Sci slots to provide shield tanking (more so than the Vo'quv), but hull heals are more difficult to fit into it.

But that's just my personal experience. Do whatever works best for you.

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now with my carrier i see, i need not only epts 1 and 2 because even with 1 very good escourt ( get the frig away from me fall out) my sheild facing is gone.
Strange. That does not happen do me in 1v1 situations.

Oh, of course, people I fight are, by definition, not good at STO space combat, so what do I know. *shrug*
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# 275
06-23-2012, 01:55 AM
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I know, in theory, that resistance bonus from EPTS and from the energy boost to shields should increase your survivability. But in practice, it doesn't.


Yeah, what does an entire subforum of high-level minmaxers in premades know about the game.
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# 276
06-23-2012, 02:17 AM
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Yeah, what does an entire subforum of high-level minmaxers in premades know about the game.
Maybe they know everything and I know nothing. But that does not change my observation.
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# 277
06-23-2012, 02:20 AM
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You may be astonished, but I have read that dogma before. I came from commanding an assault cruiser with 2xEPTS3. Only to find out that I had too few hull heals if I did anything resembling that on the Atrox.




Strange. That does not happen do me in 1v1 situations.

Oh, of course, people I fight are, by definition, not good at STO space combat, so what do I know. *shrug*
well explain to me the layout of the assault cruiser and maybe i can help you. i just fixed my oddy. epts 1 3 eptw 1 2 aux to sif 3 et 3 tss 2 he 1. see awesome help is listed on fourms if you actually come here to look for it. i had no clue i could even chain eptx like that till it was explained to me and i tested it out. my brain could not perceive it so i tested it known it was good advice and i just needed to listen to them and not me.(sounds odd dont it?)


now for your crap carrier.......and i dont mean this against you, the carrier in general is just crap. its a spam fest for no skilled players that are only skilled in spam. i use the carrier and i admit that. but i use stalker fighters to cut down the lameness and just get pwned faster because i dont load up on 1 mill tractor fest. your lame Atrox will NOT be a dedicated healer. sorry its not possible. so knowing this and you dont use epts what are you going to do if u had to face me in my escourt? and i told you ill come into the fight with no sheilds. because me not having sheilds is just about the same as you due to the fact you dont use epts. i would love to see you verse minimax in a 1v1 when he hits you with a vm and a psw. just say good bye at that point.


and yes you versed nubs in your 1v1 test. i would really love to try killing you with no sheilds, would love it. and i know i actually can. sad but true. reason due to my speed and your lack of attack. and i can out heal your damage while you cant out heal the damage i do to your ship. i do dps, what a tact was designed to do. you on the other hand just take up space. your not even a good meat sheild to soak up damage. just take your sheilds off...they do nothing for you. now i see why people just dont really act.......right?......towards you? if that makes any sense to you? its in your post. why post if your not even willing to give any ideas a try? i still cant get over capt acting like that towards you. your ideas are flawed. and if you keep this attitude of "im doing it the trek way" then grow up trek was a show this is a game. get out of your mother basement go out talk to girls bla bla bla. actually i remember paricard even saying epts or full power to sheilds? either or. so yeah sheilds are most important, once they go then u need to learn to hull tank or die.
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# 278
06-23-2012, 02:42 AM
its an indisputable fact that shield tanking, shield healing, shield resistance and a high shield power level account for AT LEAST 90% of your ability to tank incoming damage. if you don't have 2 copies of EPtS1, don't bother queing, you are a liability, you will die to every moderately buffed alpha strike and you will cause your team to lose.

the only possible way for you to think that running 2 EPtS3 isn't the single best way to insure your survival, is for you to be not smart enough to use TT, or distribute your shields. EPtS3 is this game's version of death proof easy mode. use this, balance your shields, and you will survive all but an entire team shooting at you.

you need few hull heals if you handle your shields correctly, just enough to counter the momentary breach and bleed damage. focusing mainly on tanking and hull healing is useless. hull resistance cant approach how high you can raise shield resistance, and the less numeric damage you take due to resistance, the less you have to heal. sky high shield resistance is reachable with ensign level skills, high hull resistance takes all your engineering console slots and 2 fully speced tier 4 and a tier 5 skill. opportunity costs make 1 of these paths invalid.
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# 279
06-23-2012, 02:46 AM
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well explain to me the layout of the assault cruiser and maybe i can help you.
I don't command that ship anymore. I have an Atrox now. But that build was pretty tanky and did produce good results. Of course, as anyone I fight successfully must be a "moron" (at least according to muffin), that doesn't say anything.

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now for your crap carrier.......and i dont mean this against you, the carrier in general is just crap.
It is, at the very least, terrible fun to command it.

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its a spam fest for no skilled players that are only skilled in spam. i use the carrier and i admit that. but i use stalker fighters to cut down the lameness
Interesting. I use stalkers because they are more effective for what I do. Taking out aux systems and (if the opponent has too little power insulators skill) dropping his aux energy while doing some anti-shield dps and some kinetic damage is just useful.

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sorry its not possible. so knowing this and you dont use epts what are you going to do if u had to face me in my escourt?
Probably blow that ship up. But I only fight people with equipped decent shields, so that would be absolutely required. A serious fight or no fight at all.

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and yes you versed nubs in your 1v1 test. i would really love to try killing you with no sheilds, would love it. and i know i actually can.
Then please show me in the game.
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# 280
06-23-2012, 02:49 AM
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its an indisputable fact that i use dem and account for AT LEAST 90% of ship pops in this game. so you dont even need to come into a match with sheilds.
lmao there fixed!!!!!!!!!!

@sophlogimo ok we can do a fight. when are you ready for this 1v1?

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