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# 11
05-04-2012, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Commadore_Bob
I've always believed that it isn't mankind's introduction to aliens that cause the problems to go away, it is the advent of technology.
I wish I could "Like" your post!

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But to quote Quark, "Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts... deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers... put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time... and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."
So true! This is US in a nutshell!

But everyday I believe this as well...
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"Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. NO one would accept the program. Entire crops /of the humans serving as batteries/ were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.Which is why the Matrix was re-designed to this: the peak of your civilization."
I believe this is also true... It's hard being a realist and trying to have a little hope that humans could work for a common goal if our basic comforts where always met!
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The Architect: Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.
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# 12
05-04-2012, 03:14 PM
i think it could be, but we all must eliminate (to quote picard - tng 1x26):
hunger, want, the need for possessions.

so we would need for example the replicator and other technologys i think.

than.. only than i could work.
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# 13
05-04-2012, 03:25 PM
It can happen, whether it is because we discover advanced Technology on our own or through contact with aliens, but once everyone has access to limitless, clean energy, an endless supply of food and raw materials through replicators and the entirety of the universe to expand into, Knowledge, Art and wisdom will likely become the most precious things to strive for.

We humans are kinda hardwired to try and rise above our pears. Maybe being better at sport, better looking, more wealthy, famous, smarter, supporting the better sports team/Franchise/computer company or simply by having better gear in an MMORPG.

If the wealth of the Individual becomes meaningless and we do not need to fear for a neighboring nation to take it from us since they will have enough themselves and can always make more, exploring the vastness of space, making great discoveries, creating works of art and advancing humanity as a whole might be the major way for us to satisfy these urges.

I'm optimistic enough to believe that it could happen, but realist enough to know it won't be in my lifetime and I sorta have my doubts it will be before we manage to bomb us back into the stone age over resources, faith and general worldview.
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# 14
05-04-2012, 03:29 PM
At the rate the basic social skills and diplomacy of humans are devolving, I'm confident in saying that, yes, his vision was unrealistic. There is no way in hell we'll have a United Earth in the 2100s or even the 2200s. Humans are just too stubborn and destructive for that.
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# 15
05-04-2012, 03:31 PM


to sit an think of what it would be like the thought of the billions... after a nuclear war...

i removed a wall of text... a lot of that is fairly personal, maybe i skip this one...

best let philosophers, thinkers, and like minded discuss this, an old soldier who been in bad places should not dwell on such things. Memory is rough enough on this old dog, do not need to add to it.

I'll come back and read it later team.
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# 16
05-04-2012, 03:43 PM
There are way too many factors that would have to be addressed and a lot of "growing up" that humanity would have to do first.

1) The gap between when a new technology or invention is perfected and when it is released right now is far too great. I'm not referring to an iphone or anything like that I'm talking the major, life altering stuff.

2) Humans overall would have to do such an extreme amount of growing up that really it's hard to envision Humanity as a whole behaving in the way they do in Star Trek. Even getting a majority of humanity to do away with petty things like greed, jealousy, etc would be an almost impossible task. Utopia societies have been tried and failed so many times throughout history. Small to medium sized colonies of Fanatical devotees maybe.

3) Humanity is much more likely to destroy itself before we even get past our own solar system, and even if we do get that far and find other intelligent life, we're much more likely to automatically assume their hostile and fubar first contact so much that they just wipe our asses out.

4) Bridging back to number 1 and the gap between invention, development and practical useage, over-population, famine, disease, dwindling resources, and war over it all will probably stunt true space exploration to the point where if anything a couple of ships might be sent out to the closest possible M-class planetary systems looking for salvation. However, if I were those people I would abandon Earth and try to completely start over the right way on a new planet. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one, and the survival of the human race outweighs the needs of all.
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# 17
05-04-2012, 05:39 PM
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To many the idea of space ships flying around faster than the speed of light and fighting cyborg zombies sounds very unrealistic. But what seems much more unrealistic to me is the very premise of the entire story of Star Trek, which is that the human race decides to live in harmony upon discovering there are aliens.

Lets say humans really did discover there was intelligent alien life in the universe, and that the first aliens discovered were semi-friendly like the Vulcans. Do you think that discovery would actually motivate the majority of the human race to "come together", or do you think the same problems we have now would continue?
Reguardless first contact with any alien race friendly or hostile will result in the world throwing their differences aside. I think hostile alien`s would result in coming together and throwing differences aside more than a friendly alien race. It will be the situation where we all have a common enemy among us and its the hostile alien life forms.



The reality is we dont want alien interaction. The first contact with an alien life form could result in a world wide plague as we are exposed to organisims not native to our planet.
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# 18
05-04-2012, 05:42 PM
'Realistic' is not a term that is know to Hollywood. Remember my friend he was creating a made-for-TV series.

However (Vulcan Voice)

Gene did give us something, a gift if you will. He gave us something to shoot for as a species. We will never have warp capability but there are physicist's working on way to propel us to the infinite reaches of the 'cold black' of space. There are teams of people working on better sources of energy. So, we have a pretty good foundation on which to build the future.

So, realistic you say, maybe not a Trekverse as we see on TV, but is is real enough for my imagination. And sometimes the very thought of what he imagined for mankind chokes me up. I think he has set an example and many of us follow it. You don't have to be a 'real' Starfleet Officer to conduct yourself as one. Just live your life for you and betterment of your fellow man. Be as professional as you want to be. Live by good values and think of others too.

Going to space has been a dream of mine since I was 9 years old and you know what it's not out of reach. Maybe being a Mission Commander or Pilot is but a Mission Specialist, now that is still within reach. Just look up the requirements on NASA's home page. All we have to do is set our mind to purpose.

As far as building an actual Enterprise, i think we can make one however it wouldn't have WARP or an Anti-Matter power source. But the actual structure of it we can build.
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# 19
05-04-2012, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by spektre12
'Realistic' is not a term that is know to Hollywood. Remember my friend he was creating a made-for-TV series.

However (Vulcan Voice)

Gene did give us something, a gift if you will. He gave us something to shoot for as a species. We will never have warp capability but there are physicist's working on way to propel us to the infinite reaches of the 'cold black' of space. There are teams of people working on better sources of energy. So, we have a pretty good foundation on which to build the future.

So, realistic you say, maybe not a Trekverse as we see on TV, but is is real enough for my imagination. And sometimes the very thought of what he imagined for mankind chokes me up. I think he has set an example and many of us follow it. You don't have to be a 'real' Starfleet Officer to conduct yourself as one. Just live your life for you and betterment of your fellow man. Be as professional as you want to be. Live by good values and think of others too.

Going to space has been a dream of mine since I was 9 years old and you know what it's not out of reach. Maybe being a Mission Commander or Pilot is but a Mission Specialist, now that is still within reach. Just look up the requirements on NASA's home page. All we have to do is set our mind to purpose.

As far as building an actual Enterprise, i think we can make one however it wouldn't have WARP or an Anti-Matter power source. But the actual structure of it we can build.
Who knows, one day we might have a form of anti-mater propulsion. A good number of things shown on Star Trek eventually ended up being created. Like blue tooth head sets, who could forget the communication ear pieces worn on the Enterprise of TOS. Who could forget the tablet computers which was used on the Enterprise of TOS. Or how about the holodeck on the Enterprise TNG, this hasnt happened yet but 3D is being pushed to the point that I wouldnt be suprised if we ended up with a form of a holodeck in the next 25 - 30 years.

Nanites which give the borg healing abilities as well as being assimulated into the collective, well we have nanites which are being created as a way of artifical imune system.

In the end I think a large number of what we see in the Star Trek series will one day eventually come to be reality in some form. Might not be tomorrow or 100 or 200 years from now but I feel it will eventually get to that technological position.
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# 20
05-04-2012, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by milner62
In the end I think a large number of what we see in the Star Trek series will one day eventually come to be reality in some form. Might not be tomorrow or 100 or 200 years from now but I feel it will eventually get to that technological position.
Great points indeed. The iPad3 can be considered a Treklike gadget as well. Oh video teleconferencing too! The statement I'm quoting above makes me very sad. I know we have most of the technology to do all of the above you stated however we are hindered by Greed on a global scale. Think of how far we'd be if it were not for greed, especially American greed (ours).
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