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# 11
05-05-2012, 10:14 AM
Yes I hope to obtain a Gorn sci vessel (for my Gorn ) very soon.
Similarly my Orion will get an Orion ship , my Nausican a nausican ship and my Vulcans Vulcan ships

Support your local C store

But seriously Science ships are Great IF your captain is a science type
And you have Good (Read Vulcan) officers
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# 12
05-05-2012, 04:40 PM
So I obviously haven't been playing a lot: what exactly about science ships has been nerfed?
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# 13
05-05-2012, 05:05 PM
Resistances to science powers (in addition to many of them being broken) pretty much killed the need for science ships in PvP. However, they seem to be making a slight comeback lately.

In PvE they're "fine". They can't really put out the damage of an escort or the healing of a cruiser, but they can do both fairly respectably.
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# 14
05-05-2012, 05:24 PM
I used to play my tier 2 then later my tier 3 as an electronics warfare ship. They are fairly viable to endgame, but unless you take a very select set of skills, you will have problems with STF missions. My carrier, and nebula before it, uses the healer idea, along with a fair amount of shield stripping to be viable. The thing is though with the nebula (and other science vessels), although you are perfectly viable at end game, you will feel somewhat lacking. Escorts will out damage you and cruisers rarely need any aid, unless your on an Elite STF, and for some reason, you will tend to draw almost as much NPC attention as the escorts.
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# 15
05-06-2012, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by catliketyping
Of course, on the Klingon side, BoPs are "science vessels", with the "true" sci ships being c-store/not free.

The Vo'quv is also a sci ship, but so are all Carriers...

/Engage the cloaking device... FOR SCIENCE!
Not all carriers my friend... The Kar'Fi is a whole different Gre'thor spawned monster.
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# 16
05-06-2012, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by OVERLOURD
Maybe with the recent emphasis on crew, cryptic could change it so science ships regenerate allied crew?
then you'd actually have a medical ship
That would be GLORIOUS.
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# 17
05-06-2012, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sollvax
But seriously Science ships are Great IF your captain is a science type
And you have Good (Read Vulcan) officers
I've actually found an Eng Captain to be a good fit on a Sci vessel too. Rotate Shield Frequencies plus Miracle Worker won't make you a tank but it does dramatically increase you survivability, especially if you kit your ship out to have really good shield performance. I built myself around power drain, especially focused on taking shields down for quick, brief periods. My alpha strike is generally popping EPS Transfer as I approach, holding fire until I can fire a Tyken's Rift and then immediately following up with Target Shields. Then I pop High Yield Torpedo and wait for my chance to strike their hull in the window of opportunity while the shields are down. Many times I'll follow up with Energy Siphon and Fire at Will, which keeps shields weak (and sometimes drops them a second time) and lays down somewhat improved DPS as I ride EPS Transfer out.

I haven't found my build very efficient in PvP, but I don't PvP all that often and I generally don't enjoy it anyway. I squared off with a friend of mine flying Tac/Tac and could generally only manage to slow him down, keep him on the defensive and disrupt his ability to alpha strike me while I had a hard time making a big enough dent fast enough to prevail. When I've played regular matches, I tend to be an aggro magnet for some reason I haven't been able to fathom (like I said, my build doesn't seem overly effective in PvP), and when I end up with 3 to 5 people ganging up on me I can't really last long.

I do decently well in STFs but the two core problems I've encountered is A) I can't bring much straight-up DPS to the table and B) people who fly cruisers don't seem to actually do much tanking in the "draw aggro" sense. My build would be really effective if I have an Escort as a backup, who waits for me to slow enemies and strip their shields. In Khitomer Accord Space, I'm great at slowing down the waves that head for the portal but I just don't have the DPS (at least at Elite) to destroy those ships fast enough.

So yeah. To summarize, Eng Captain on a Sci Ship is modestly effective, and more to the point, very fun. Cutting a cube's shields and then knocking enough health off to be measured in increments of 10% in the first fifteen seconds of combat? Priceless.
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# 18
05-06-2012, 07:16 PM
Just out of curiousty, since Grav Well is able to actually pull things in again, is it worth trying a GW/Trico spread now? Or is that a noob-tier dumb thing to try to begin with? XD
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# 19
05-06-2012, 08:35 PM
I love the science ships! They are so... goofy spacey in their designs. I find they work just as promised: Mild DPS, mild tanking, heavy debuffing and shield stripping. (The downside is that at Admiral ranks a lot of the bosses simply shrug your attacks off anyway and so the fights are looooooong.)

Also: I've found ground combat, with all of the debuffs and area effect attacks at your disposal, to be ROFLstomplicious. Even more so than using a Tac or an Engineering team with oodles of turrets.

Team Science FTW!
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# 20
05-07-2012, 02:53 AM
i was gonna go give some great advice... then i realized you've never tried to use a science ship in pvp. try that then see how "fun" it is.


also, if you want builds, there are a bunch by @matteo716 give him a quick looksee and im sure you'll find some builds
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