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# 11
05-07-2012, 04:32 PM
Looks like its a lot more canon than I thot. Well, nearly canon. ^^;

I wouldn't mind this ship being released as either a T5 escort or a cruiser, it's probably light enough to be a slower Eng-heavy escort (might overlap with the T5 Akira however), or a Fed version of the Vo'quv retrofit (I think this is a better idea).
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# 12
05-07-2012, 04:55 PM
Not to be a pain, that's a refit, not a retrofit of the original NX design.

As for being tier 5... eeeh I'm not sure how I feel about that. It's a rather small ship.
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# 13
05-07-2012, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Kalavier View Post
Not to be a pain, that's a refit, not a retrofit of the original NX design.

As for being tier 5... eeeh I'm not sure how I feel about that. It's a rather small ship.
Birds-of-Prey, Raptors and Defiant-class escorts average 150m, and all have T5 variants, whereas the NX-01 is 255m long.

Size is not the problem for having a T5 starter ship, its the technology that's able to be loaded on them. I may have made the original post, but I myself am divided over either the Constituition or NX-01 getting a full retrofit.

Realistically, if I allowed a retrofit, they'd all turn into T5 Science Vessels given their size and weight. The Constituition would be a bit more tanky (less than the Nebula), and the NX-01 would be the T5 science vessel that can load dual cannons, if this format is to be followed.
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# 14
05-07-2012, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by meisterbabylon View Post
Birds-of-Prey, Raptors and Defiant-class escorts average 150m, and all have T5 variants, whereas the NX-01 is 255m long.

Size is not the problem for having a T5 starter ship, its the technology that's able to be loaded on them. I may have made the original post, but I myself am divided over either the Constituition or NX-01 getting a full retrofit.

Realistically, if I allowed a retrofit, they'd all turn into T5 Science Vessels given their size and weight. The Constituition would be a bit more tanky (less than the Nebula), and the NX-01 would be the T5 science vessel that can load dual cannons, if this format is to be followed.
We have the problem of several ships on T5 than not must be here. Please, don't do that mistake at full scale.

NX-01 even never must see on any tier. They "do" a "replica" from an anging desing with new technology that is more than a retrofit. NX-01 retrofit exist she is the replica.

How you can compare the NX-01 with a nebula if NX-01 can't be compare with TOS Constitution class (see 4x17 and 4x18 of Enterprise).

Too bad is have "Excelsior refits" on tier 5 outside from her natural place (tier 2 or 3).

Someone can think on do any comparation between NX-01 and MVAM or with Voyager retrofit (maybe even she must outside from tier 5, but in that chase exist arguments on both sides) or you see the NX-01 fighting against Sovereing, Oddyssey, StarCruiser, Luna class, and the rest. Even defiant Retrofit can be outside from tier 5 (Sao Paulo have more right to be here).

On Voyager (7x14) we see how even a D7 against the Voyager and she don't have any option to fight against the more moderm ship. And I can sure you, NX-01 isnt rival to D7.

Gratefull must be NX-01 with have a "replica/retrofit" on tier 1.

On same way we can retrofit the Phoenix and create a new "advance" starfighter more deadly than peregrine or advance delta flyers (it is a ironic joke... ok, Cryptic?)


Please, left die in peace to the old ships.


Thanks to everybody for the fun, sorry for my bad english.
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# 15
05-08-2012, 12:06 AM
man, you guys in Starfleet keep any old junk dont you? You advance your ships just to go..backwards. Hows the refit/retrofit of your NASA space shuttle going? Soon we wont have to worry about having to fight you because you will have reverted your tech so far back you will be shooting chimps into space!

300 years may be a bit much. i dont see the US NAVY refitting old wooden sailing ships with big battleship canons. Seriously, there is only so much 'upgrading' before the original frame starts to give way, not to mention its easier just to make a whole new ship resource wise.

But as is the norm, Cryptic will give it to you anyway, so i guess..enjoy your space junk?

Most of this is in jest, but still I think its really silly...
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# 16
05-08-2012, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Paneth
man, you guys in Starfleet keep any old junk dont you? You advance your ships just to go..backwards. Hows the refit/retrofit of your NASA space shuttle going? Soon we wont have to worry about having to fight you because you will have reverted your tech so far back you will be shooting chimps into space!

300 years may be a bit much. i dont see the US NAVY refitting old wooden sailing ships with big battleship canons. Seriously, there is only so much 'upgrading' before the original frame starts to give way, not to mention its easier just to make a whole new ship resource wise.

But as is the norm, Cryptic will give it to you anyway, so i guess..enjoy your space junk?

Most of this is in jest, but still I think its really silly...
lmao there nothing with going backwards. Sometimes it is the best option. Look at the new Orion program at NASA. It basically a revised version of the Apollo program but modernised and improved. 1) Your forgetting that in sto the federation is at WAR so they will need every ship available. 2) I will continue the Enterprise collect for those who want to collect like myself, all the ships that had the name enterprise on them. But a T5 version of it na just make it a new skin. So it will be canonly where it should be but improved since it is mentioned the all old ships have been updated with the latest standard 25th century tech.
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# 17
05-08-2012, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by meisterbabylon View Post
Birds-of-Prey, Raptors and Defiant-class escorts average 150m, and all have T5 variants, whereas the NX-01 is 255m long.

Size is not the problem for having a T5 starter ship, its the technology that's able to be loaded on them. I may have made the original post, but I myself am divided over either the Constituition or NX-01 getting a full retrofit.

Realistically, if I allowed a retrofit, they'd all turn into T5 Science Vessels given their size and weight. The Constituition would be a bit more tanky (less than the Nebula), and the NX-01 would be the T5 science vessel that can load dual cannons, if this format is to be followed.
Yeah, but you see a 255m long ship be comparable to the Vo'quv in abilities? I don't.

As for ships being there that shouldn't...

Excelsior is a highly modular, easily upgraded ship. Just like the Miranda. It being tier 5 could work, as it's a long-serving ship and was constantly upgraded to match the times. And it was able to do so. I mean, okay being able to be just as good as a sovereign or Odyssey? maybe not. But it's still good enough to be a mainline cruiser.

NX retrofit/replica's at tier 0/1 are the old frame and design, newer tech. More useful as a training ship then an actual frontline ship. I say this because the NX design, unlike Miranda or Excelsior, wasn't really designed to have entire parts swapped out for newer things. Like the phase cannon assemblies. You can't just smack a brand new 25th century phaser in their place. Or the warp core even, the design of it's engineering would require a variant to hold the warp core, or that entire area rebuilt.

Also... NX-01 = the Enterprise of that class. It's actual name is the NX class ships.


Edit: However, I do agree that it'd be nice to see more new ship designs for higher tiers.
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# 18
05-08-2012, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Kalavier View Post
Yeah, but you see a 255m long ship be comparable to the Vo'quv in abilities? I don't.

As for ships being there that shouldn't...

Excelsior is a highly modular, easily upgraded ship. Just like the Miranda. It being tier 5 could work, as it's a long-serving ship and was constantly upgraded to match the times. And it was able to do so. I mean, okay being able to be just as good as a sovereign or Odyssey? maybe not. But it's still good enough to be a mainline cruiser.

NX retrofit/replica's at tier 0/1 are the old frame and design, newer tech. More useful as a training ship then an actual frontline ship. I say this because the NX design, unlike Miranda or Excelsior, wasn't really designed to have entire parts swapped out for newer things. Like the phase cannon assemblies. You can't just smack a brand new 25th century phaser in their place. Or the warp core even, the design of it's engineering would require a variant to hold the warp core, or that entire area rebuilt.

Also... NX-01 = the Enterprise of that class. It's actual name is the NX class ships.


Edit: However, I do agree that it'd be nice to see more new ship designs for higher tiers.
well ya but if you read my last post I mentioned that most if not all ships have been designed so it is easier to upgrade ships the term I think is "Modular" I still would be awesome to have either way and will be paying homage to ENT and to the artist and it shows why the consistution class looks the why it does.
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# 19
08-06-2014, 12:55 PM
Old thread is old, but still... I think it needs love.

I find it odd how people completely refuse to accept that an old design can be improved and used. Taking the NX design, simply replace everything on it. Give it upgraded modern hull plating, Modern computer systems, Modern shield emitters, All of the things that make the newer ships sparkle.
As a prime example, take the new Xindi Narcine Carrier. An old ship design constantly undergoing upgrades to maintain it's status as a major power.

With that I find it hard to believe people can't see that as being equivalent to the Defiant Class. Maybe they just can't get over their hatred of Enterprise as a show.
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# 20
08-06-2014, 01:06 PM
Holy necro batman! They are becoming self aware!

And no, get an Akira if you want a viable nx-01 at end game.
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