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# 321
05-15-2012, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mmaavvaahh
I ll probably edit this post in a bit, but after reading yours, Gozer's update all of a sudden begins to scare me a lot. While there will always be people calling hax and cheats, taking defeat personal, or suffering from delusions of grandeur because of their pvp performance. These individuals, however, are far and few in among STOs pvp community. Overall, the spirit of friendly competition is great. However, loosing against an borg invisible torp is one thing, being blown up by another player is something else.

The sense of futility that prevents many of my fleetmates from beginning to pvp, hence never becoming good enough at it to enjoy it, combined with the collectors' desire for new shinnies sounds like a horrible match. Sure the latter fills the STF queues despite all the complaints over the droprates, but for the tone and atmosphere of pvp it makes for a very bleak outlook.

No random drop prototype tech for pvp. We have enough farmers, afkers, and quiters as is. You just shouldn't force pvp onto people. Make something they want to have (MK XII purple console) and give them a reliable way to achieve it. Otherwise the frustration over STO will reach new hights, resulting in less players.
In fact, I like the idea. Pvp should have a higher drop rate of let's say, mk xii purple consoles. Fleet actions should have a lower rate. This way, people won't be forced into pvp, but will be stimulated.

I think cryptic also has to deal with a "human" aspect, meaning that people that pvp won't all go to opvp channel to ask for a match. A better system that will allow queuing, with more options, will probably be more successful (aside the "old" ballance issues we all know).
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# 322
05-15-2012, 12:35 PM
I am TOTALLY AGAINST not having Fed vs. KDF PVP. I just leveled up two VA Klingons with the single purpose of wiping the floor with Feds (Or getting blown up alot. Probably both.) There is supposed to be a war on and how well will the game portray that with KDF vs. Fed PVP gone. I LIKE coming out of cloak behind a Fed and pew pewing them to bits. Also I just spent $20 on the Fed Dreadnaught to do the same to Klingons.

Granted, the current PVP isn't all that lovely overall, but stopping Fed vs. KDF isn't the way to fix it.

LEAVE MY PEW PEWING F FEDS ALONE!!! :p
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# 323
05-15-2012, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cryptic_Gozer
There will not be KDF vs FED only queues.
There will not be FED vs FED only queues.
There will not be KDF vs KDF only queues.

There will just be... PVP queues, period.
Terrible.

I leveled my KDF entirely on PvP. I stopped sometime after 50, for a variety of reasons (mainly work).

After reading this, you can rest assured, I have no intention of PvPing in a factionless system. Period. As I stated previously, no factions is no point. this is the opposite direction.
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# 324
05-15-2012, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jnoh
Terrible.

I leveled my KDF entirely on PvP. I stopped sometime after 50, for a variety of reasons (mainly work).

After reading this, you can rest assured, I have no intention of PvPing in a factionless system. Period. As I stated previously, no factions is no point. this is the opposite direction.
We may still have faction open pvp zones, in which case well have our pew-pew...
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# 325 Why I don't care about PvP
05-15-2012, 01:11 PM
First of all let me just say its refreshing to have someone at Cryptic be brutually honest about the state of the game in relation to PvP I see some saying they don't want it to go well let me make the case for why it should go.

I hate PvP in STO I see no reason to do it I tried it and found the entire experience to utterly pointless and boring its a very small part of the STO gaming experience and surfices to say its just an arena for people to be really mean about someones build choice i.e weapons, shields etc. A recent survey commissioned by Cryptic ranked this activity at a lonely 13% thats pretty bad the notion they are going to even try and save it is beyond me get of rid it and replace it with something that will be much more fun and inspiring its time this thing died.

For more reasons than I can possibly say I agree with Gozer it does fail and for that reason I would not be bothered in the least!!!! not having PvP I would rather have better game stability or an alternative activity to do like holo novels much better and if tested on tribble then it just might catch on.

PvP in here is the equivelent of a dead limb cut it off and start with something new like I suggested above another idea would be to replace it with a much better crafting system or DOFF system that does not bore the pants off me especially with those chains with no clue where to go next or when its available for each stage so an improvement of real time info there is way!!!! over due. Back to the subject even if they do change it that will not guarantee more people will do it least of all me so like I said kill it and move on.
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# 326
05-15-2012, 01:58 PM
Klingons
mixed
with
feds
?

It seems more like an angry dev move to fix more serious problems; and the roleplay moment will leave the building. That sucks. It makes me a little sad, but whatever, and I can't help myself beeing cynical and imagining an joint starting zone for both factions, called Ert'Nos. However it will suck realy hard if there won't be any option (in the future) for Klingons to fight Fleet ptahs. It is my yearlong rp fantasy to embark on a voyage to deep space to fight the Feds forever just like in one of the episodes. I guess it will come true now.
I conclude that till that point where the changes hit us we have wiped the floor with fed ptahs. We have won and I'll celebrate now, later I shall read the entire topic, this was just the initial reaction to the thing that struck me most.

Qa'pla and cheers.
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# 327
05-15-2012, 04:56 PM
I played three Space Arena's tonight, and my experience in them highlights the highs and lows of the current system.

Match one, 4 vs 4. One cruiser and three escorts fed side, 1 cruiser, 1 raptor and 2 bops klink side.
A nice close match, for a change my fed toon experience victory with a hard fought 15/11 win.
No stuned to death moments, no lag, no annoyance at all, just good fun.

Match two, 5 vs 5, one catian carrier fed side, two carriers klink side.
LAG,LAG,LAG,LAG,LAG. Srceen a total mess couldn't see anything.
Gravity wells everywhere.
Everytime i decloked (i fly defient refit) i was instantly stunned and died within seconds without being able to do anything about it.(more stuns that i have boff powers to counter them with)
I would have rage quit if the match had lasted more than two minutes 15/1 to the klinks.

Match three. 5 vs 5, two carriers klink side.
LAG
Started with a swift 5/0 defeat in the centre to the klinks, followed by spawn camp hell. I'd spawn, get stunned and die with seconds of being able to move.
The one time i spawned in a position to clock, run and hide before dieing ended the worst. I lined up a run on a bop, hit all my powers and pressed de-clock. Before my cannons had fired i was being shot by 20+beams, had no shields and hull was all but gone. I got one volley off.
15/1 to the klinks.

Being Stunned isn't fun, being stunned and knowing that means you'll be dead without being able to do anything is the most massive turn off to PVP.

Carriers, their unbalanced. Giving them to both sides doesn't fix the problem. Every match that i've had serious lag issues in has been carrier heavy.

Having one side that almost always loses isn't fun.
Having said that i'll be sad to see Fed Vs Klink go, doing away with it just feels like an easy way out of the current inbalance.
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# 328
05-15-2012, 05:02 PM
Having laid out my issues with PVP, i would just like to say it's nice that this is now at least being looked into. PVP is something i want to do more, but the state it's in at the moment it just isn't fun to do.

Heres hoping Gozer comes up with a workable solution, to at least some of the problems.
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# 329
05-15-2012, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MustrumRidcully View Post
Whining and complaining is certainly not great - but people play the STFs in droves. They hate the grind, they say, but whatever, if it's the only way to get those cool sets, it's what they have to do.

PvP in STO never provided any incentives beyond maybe the Mark X Covariant CAP x 3 Shield before the Vice Admiral and Mark XI and Mark XII gear was introduced. So it was always a minority of players that bothered with. Fixing balance and bugs will certanly help somewhat, but not fundamentally.

I am not saying the systems state of PvP could stay like this. But without the incentive, it's a waste of time. Maybe instead of one drop in the bucket of players good systems could raise it to 5 drops in the bucket. Still not enough.
Grinding PvP's for lack luster rewards will only fit to kill what's left of it. It's not popular because the devs are more interested in "Ooo! Shiny!" that breaks EVERYTHING than balancing the game.

And no, Gozer, I will not play the STF's because of the sheer absurdity of how many EDC's it takes to get the suppsoedly good gear (which is far less worthwhile than the legacy Borg gear, btw). 15 monotonous runs per toon is all I need. No more than that!
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# 330
05-15-2012, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tamereth View Post
Having laid out my issues with PVP, i would just like to say it's nice that this is now at least being looked into. PVP is something i want to do more, but the state it's in at the moment it just isn't fun to do.

Heres hoping Gozer comes up with a workable solution, to at least some of the problems.
I wish I was as confident as you about that. Whoever created the EDC's and the costs related to them should be fired. Something tells me whatever we end up with will be far worse than the condtition it's in now.
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