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# 11
05-17-2012, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by V-Mink
I suspect that one of the reasons that Cryptic doesn't publish the lockbox odds is because their random system lacks the rigor of, say, a slot machine, and once you put any iota of data into the playerbase's hands, they will worry over it and gnaw on it and spreadsheet it, and next thing you know there's a database of confirmed drops and they're showing you exactly how your odds-sorted drop table is not as accurate as you thought it was.[/i]
A suspicion which has been previously confirmed by other pseudo-random systems in STO.

Of course, missing out on an 'Aid the Planet' mission has substantially less financial impact than pouring money into a black hole.
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# 12
05-17-2012, 09:53 AM
I do not buy keys with real money. I cannot and will not support this aspect of the game.
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# 13
05-17-2012, 10:02 AM
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Yikes, this is getting rather heated. I got the impression that TeriLynn's articles were pretty neutral in tone; what triggered all this from Massively?

Some of the elements in that list are written in a pretty clearly biased point of view -- I get the strong impression the person is an STO player considering the graphic posted there for #1! The author clearly hates lockboxes general and in STO in particular

I'm wiling to acknowledge the 'It's gambling" point as being hazy -- again, only a court of law can make that determination. But I too am disappointed that the lockbox odds have never been posted; the Nevada Gaming Commission comes down REALLY hard on casinos that don't make this sort of thing abundantly clear, or slot machine manufacturers who don't publish and adhere to the odds.* He's pretty right about how the house always wins, though there is marked more effort in making a Cardassian 'joy-cruiser' as there is an XP potion. The cruiser needs to be modeled, textured, rigged; it needs coding support, it needs systems support; it needs to at least have a token attempt at balancing it. I do find it interesting to delve more into the reasons why so many countries have made such boxes illegal -- is that why PW games are 'banned' from a shopping list of countries? Some of the other points he brings up are rather more subjective than objective.

He was absolutely spot-on with one thing, though: Lockboxes cheapen any game that adopts them.


* - Side-note: Some mathematical definitions of 'random' are more desirable in certain circumstances than others. "Chaotic," for example, is not the same as "random."

I suspect that one of the reasons that Cryptic doesn't publish the lockbox odds is because their random system lacks the rigor of, say, a slot machine, and once you put any iota of data into the playerbase's hands, they will worry over it and gnaw on it and spreadsheet it, and next thing you know there's a database of confirmed drops and they're showing you exactly how your odds-sorted drop table is not as accurate as you thought it was.
it could be they are looking at this as a BIG PICTURE issue..... IF the model succeeds here then other games will just copy it. We are all that stand between Western civiliaztion and the Mongal Horde of the Eastern Game Empire.

Or they could be big Star Trek fans and cant stand the way IP is being cheapened (further)
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# 14
05-17-2012, 10:10 AM
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#occupybajor?
The Bajorans are not amused...
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# 15
05-17-2012, 10:24 AM
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it could be they are looking at this as a BIG PICTURE issue..... IF the model succeeds here then other games will just copy it. We are all that stand between Western civiliaztion and the Mongal Horde of the Eastern Game Empire.

Or they could be big Star Trek fans and cant stand the way IP is being cheapened (further)
Except STO isn't the only one using Lockboxes. DCUO just put them in a couple months ago, but they are slightly different. There, if you have a sub, you can open the boxes freely with no extra money needed. If you're not paying a sub, then you have to buy their version of keys. As far as I know, they still don't disclose any odds, so it's still a huge problem.

As far as the Trek IP goes, however, I'm afraid this game is going to be a very black mark on it for a LONG time. They never should have gotten into bed with the Ferengi-run game company they did. They never should have let the game become what it has become. I don't think it's possible to cheapen it further without selling videos of hot Vulcan on Cardassian porn.
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# 16
05-17-2012, 10:40 AM
Everyone make sure to post a link to this article as the first reply to future lock box announcements =P
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# 17 I may have an answer
05-17-2012, 10:41 AM
What do you bet massively planted players in the game to confirm of what we have been saying in the forums. Plus anyone that doesn't have account can read the forums from Google or any other search engine or browser. So my point is that this anger could be from personal experience since it sounds like they are a player i.e. one of us and a not an impartial reporter (which are few and far between in the US Media, but that's for another thread lol).

So some of these massively folks could be secret players of the game but can't reveal who they work for since they have to comment on the game or maybe in beginning they invited these guys in to put good press for Cryptic and PWE much like a food critic in a restaurant, and if that's true then that PR thing has backfired.

Just a conspiracy theroy take it for what you will
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# 18
05-17-2012, 10:44 AM
Paging Dr.CDL !

Dr.CDL , report to the Massively thread Stat !
Any rumor of Gambling in STO must be squashed ... at all costs .
Auxiliary & Emergency power to internet lawyering .
Engage !
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# 19
05-17-2012, 10:45 AM
LOL i know that Duck from that old Disney show about Donald's nephews LOL.

How appropriate
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# 20
05-17-2012, 10:59 AM
I've been saving every tenth box that I acquire while playing the game in my Fleet Bank. (since the Cardassian LB's came out)

Don't know why..., I can't afford to open them...

After reading that article... I guess it's time to stop being subconsciously manipulated..

I went in game a little while ago and deleted them all.

I don't really need a D'Kora, never got a Jem-Bug and spent close to $200 dollars to get three Cardie's...

I bought the Cat Carrier last night using this months stipend as a discount.

I'll probably only use it a few times, cause I prefer the Excelsior and Oddy...

...but at least I don't feel like I was manipulated into spending too much to get it.
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