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# 11
05-22-2012, 04:25 PM
Actually T3 ships are sometimes BETTER than T5
and healing others is a Vital role
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# 12
05-22-2012, 04:44 PM
I know in WoW if you really like the look of peice of gear you can merge it with a better one, retaining the look and gaining the new ability. Something like this would be useful.
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# 13
05-22-2012, 04:47 PM
A galaxy class can hold its own at endgame

some of the t5 stuff can't
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# 14
05-22-2012, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by sollvax
Actually T3 ships are sometimes BETTER than T5
and healing others is a Vital role
I'm sorry but you really need to justify this statement.

Hulls at Tier 3, 20k Escort, 26k Cruiser, 18k Sci
Hulls at Tier 5, 30k Escort, 39k Cruiser, 27k/28.5k Sci

Weapons at Tier 3, 5 Escort, 6 Cruiser, 5 Sci
Weapons at Tier 5, 7 Escort, 8 Cruiser, 6 Sci

Consoles at Tier 3, 5. at Tier 5, 9
BOFF abilities at Tier 3, 8 (3, 1, Spec, 2, 2.) at Tier 5 12 (4, 3, Spec, 2, 2, 1.)

Now the only thing left is Turn rate, and while Cruisers get slightly slower, everything else gets faster. Shield strength remains constant the whole time. A Tier 5 Escort has more hull than a Tier 3 Cruiser so I fail to see how a Tier 3 can survive better than a Tier 5? If you say a skilled pilot vs an idiot pilot that's not a fair comparison. The Skilled Pilot would win easier without the handicap, just probably not have as much fun doing it.

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Originally Posted by sollvax
A galaxy class can hold its own at endgame

some of the t5 stuff can't
A T4 Cruiser can hold it's own endgame, People have done the entire game in a Delta Shuttle, they've completed the the whole game in the Miranda, the Connie or whatever low level ship takes their fancy. That is not the point. When you do STF it is generally considered playing well with others to take the best possible ship you have. And since you get a free Tier 5 ship at Level 40, that's what you should take.

And I can't think of a single Tier 5 vessel that can't hold it's own. Name one single Tier 5 ship that is so useless that it can't fight decently at endgame. If I tried to make an Advanced Escort a Tank, I'd have a lot of issues but it's not like a T4 or T3 Escort would make a better Tank.

I'm not saying you need to buy a C-Store ship, the only reason you should ever buy a C-Store ship is because you think it will be fun to fly it around.

And for the Record I would truly have loved to see the Akira as an Endgame Tactical Cruiser rather than a T3 Escort, the things have often been Described as Heavy Cruisers. I think they should be more akin to a Vor'Cha than an Escort. Yeah think about that Cruiser guys, a T5 Akira Cruiser that can mount DHC's and has the Vor'Chas turn rate and power distribution. It would make an awesome DPS cruiser especially if they gave us the Excelsior BOFF layout. Much better than using it as a T5 Escort.
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# 15
05-23-2012, 12:30 AM
My (admittedly limited) STF experience largely involves My Own vessel (usually a Galaxy) having to plug the gaps and repair the damage while a couple of carriers get CREAMED

T5 carrier vrs T3/4 ships
the Carrier is a waste of space
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# 16
05-23-2012, 01:20 AM
No

The captains may be running their ships poorly, but the ships themselves are not wastes of space.
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# 17
05-23-2012, 02:12 AM
Yes they are
there is no place for Carriers of ANY kind in these actions
total waste of space

id rather see a couple of light cruisers and a shuttle than ANY carrier
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# 18
05-23-2012, 02:25 AM
if somebody here really thinks a t3/4 ship in endgame is a better choice for him so be it...but plz never enter a PUG elite stf or normal stf with PUG.
You are doing something very wrong if you have the impression that your T4 cruiser performs better than a T5 cruiser.

And healing others, is the least important role in stf's at the moment. Most important is DMG, then Crowd control if the dmg fails, and then heal when both fail.
If you play a cruiser tank, then you musst have powers to be able to heal yourself, and atleast be able to survive a cube...if a cube is too much to handle, you are doing it wrong.

it makes no sense to be a good healer, if you havent got enough dps to bring down the transformer in infected, or the probes in KA before they reach the gate. Even in cure, where healing the Kang is necessary somtimes it's way smarer to kill all raptors, BOP on their way as fast as possible.

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Yes they are
there is no place for Carriers of ANY kind in these actions
total waste of space

id rather see a couple of light cruisers and a shuttle than ANY carrier
i loled hard. No srsly a carrier is like one of the best ships gameplay wise in this game. Very hard to take down, and delivers good dmg with fighters and his weapons...while even able to Crowd control stuff.
I don't know what fail captains you saw, but i can tell you it's not the fault of the carrier that they sucked. They would have sucked even more if they had cruisers or any other ship.

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My (admittedly limited) STF experience largely involves My Own vessel (usually a Galaxy) having to plug the gaps and repair the damage while a couple of carriers get CREAMED

T5 carrier vrs T3/4 ships
the Carrier is a waste of space
and did it cross your mind, that if you had a T5 cruiser+ BOFF powers to tank, you could have kept aggro from the targets, while the carriers could have let theyr fighters swarm the target and take it down?
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# 19
05-23-2012, 02:32 AM
if somebody here really thinks a t3/4 ship in endgame is a better choice for him so be it...but plz never enter a PUG elite stf or normal stf with PUG.

Same goes for ANY Carrier
keep em out of Pug entirely you are not helping


You are doing something very wrong if you have the impression that your T4 cruiser performs better than a T5 cruiser.

Carrier not cruiser
you very rarely SEE a T5 cruiser these days

And healing others, is the least important role in stf's at the moment. Most important is DMG, then Crowd control if the dmg fails, and then heal when both fail.

Crowd control is totally unimportant
It can be handled by someones minespam or expendable fighters or even turrets
Damage is a matter of TIME thats all

If you play a cruiser tank, then you musst have powers to be able to heal yourself, and atleast be able to survive a cube...if a cube is too much to handle, you are doing it wrong.

Cubes are no problem
And Cruisers are Cruisers
not Tanks
Tanks are large ground based armour and do not relate to space combat at all this is NOT WOW


it makes no sense to be a good healer, if you havent got enough dps to bring down the transformer in infected, or the probes in KA before they reach the gate.

which ANYONE can do with the correct weapons
except maybe a carrier

Even in cure, where healing the Kang is necessary somtimes it's way smarer to kill all raptors, BOP on their way as fast as possible.

Or do both

Which MOST people can.



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Yes they are
there is no place for Carriers of ANY kind in these actions
total waste of space

id rather see a couple of light cruisers and a shuttle than ANY carrier

i loled hard. No srsly a carrier is like one of the best ships gameplay wise in this game.

Yeah right and a mounted lance is good for fighting inside a windmill

Very hard to take down, and delivers good dmg with fighters and his weapons...while even able to Crowd control stuff.


you mean
Stands off at the edge of the action and gets in the way

Micro carriers (flight deck cruisers) are not so bad
As for hard to take down the thing is basically a BRICK slow , and ultimately only any use for holding up a wall


I don't know what fail captains you saw, but i can tell you it's not the fault of the carrier that they sucked.


Oh I don't know , Seen one of the same people since then in an Oddy and he did much better

They would have sucked even more if they had cruisers or any other ship.

Ever consider that some people are Better with one ship than another?
One friend of mine flys Only BOP ships (he "executed" his Fed character when he got his Klingon) he is exceptionally good at it
He is still flying the same BOP now as when he started and is BG
Id rather have him on my team than anyone else I know (Still getting over him soloing a cube in that thing)

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# 20
05-23-2012, 02:43 AM
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My (admittedly limited) STF experience largely involves My Own vessel (usually a Galaxy) having to plug the gaps and repair the damage while a couple of carriers get CREAMED

T5 carrier vrs T3/4 ships
the Carrier is a waste of space

and did it cross your mind, that if you had a T5 cruiser+ BOFF powers to tank, you could have kept aggro from the targets, while the carriers could have let theyr fighters swarm the target and take it down?

no
because by the time they did I would have died of old age

I fight the line perfectly well , Which is why I do what I do
I refuse to spend my entire day drawing fire to protect a couple of carriers while they send out waves of small ships which achieve less than my torp spreads can.

A healer is useful
A carrier is not

See thats MY view , I may be wrong but I am entitled to it.
You team with your carriers I'll team with people I trust.

We will both get the job done im sure.

Actually My Galaxy will be upgrading to the T5 version tomorrow anyway (when I buy my tranch of CP's for the month)
But It will still be a Galaxy not a carrier.
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