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Lt. Commander
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# 11
05-30-2012, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by potasssium
I have a 35% RCS on my defiant I can borrow.

You make a very strong case for the Assault Cruiser, so I'll save myself the extra CP that the Excelsior costs.

I am spec'd ino thrusters, so I guess I will give that a try, as my first foray into Cruisers, what with it being the most economic choice.

I'll save on getting the Excel for some much later date or sale.
There's one thing you do need to know about the AC, in that its tactical slots are not as good as the Excel's.

I think of the attack patterns, you can only get attack pattern beta. That said, since the AC is free, I would say that this should not discourage you from giving it a shot anyway. Just be aware that if you feel you want a cruiser with higher-ranking tactical slots, you'll need to go with the Excel-R (assuming you don't push the Ody's universal BOff slot into that role). But the AC is important, because it's NOT as agile as the Excel-R, so if you can work with the AC's turn rate you should do just fine with the Excel-R, should you ever purchase it.

Finally, in terms of laying down cash for one of these ships, I would consider waiting a couple weeks. There are supposed to be a lot of ships coming out with Season 6. I have no idea if this is in fact true or not (I'm remembering off of STOked, and the dev team could well be swamped getting things up to spec, so this may be triaged for later in order to get the rest of S6 out the door), but I'd not be a bit surprised if an AC upgrade is among them, and it may satisfy you more than the Excel-R could.
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# 12
05-30-2012, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Red_1999
Finally, in terms of laying down cash for one of these ships, I would consider waiting a couple weeks. There are supposed to be a lot of ships coming out with Season 6. I have no idea if this is in fact true or not (I'm remembering off of STOked, and the dev team could well be swamped getting things up to spec, so this may be triaged for later in order to get the rest of S6 out the door), but I'd not be a bit surprised if an AC upgrade is among them, and it may satisfy you more than the Excel-R could.
That is a very good point too. I'll just keep flying STFs with my defiant, get my Borg chips, and work on my science toon otherwise. At least that captain can claim science or cruisers as it levels up and always grab my c-store purchased escorts when needed as well.

We might see a 4th of July sale too.

Thank you for being the voice of reason.
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# 13
05-30-2012, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by potasssium
In a Beam Boat is it preferable to have normal arrays or duals in front and normal arrays rear?

Edit: I also attempted normal cannons front with beams rear, and found that annoying.
Dual Beams aren't really that useful on a Beam boat, they are forward firing and since the whole point of a beam boat is the broardside to compensate for the low turning rate your not going to be putting in weapons that only fire forward.

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Originally Posted by Red_1999
As an additional note, as I am one of the minority who believe cruisers need some level of agility, you will want to put absolutely no more than two RCS accelerators on the Excelsior or Assault Cruiser. In fact, putting more than one on is probably a waste, but make darn sure you've got the best you can get for that one or two slots (35% boost or better). If you're spec'd into impulse thrusters then you'll inherently add some to the speed. In my experience you can coax out an additional 1-2 deg/sec with a 35% RCS thruster console, coming in at around 12.3 deg/sec for my AC and around 14 deg/sec for my Excelsior. The math for RCS percentages is based on the base turn rate, as a note, and it may be questionable just how accurate it is, hence why you get so little. It's far from ideal, but IMO that little bump is just enough to be important - I think that somewhere between 10 and 12 degrees per second is some kind of critical psychological (for me) threshold and practicality threshold.

If you're using an Ody, don't bother with an RCS console. I'm one of the biggest RCS-on-cruisers supporters and I concluded long ago that an RCS booster for that beast is basically eating up an engineering slot for no good reason, although if you're willing to cram the saucer sep console into one of the science slots and feel like it you could stick two RCS consoles in there and fill the rest of the slots with Neutronium.
Don't misunderstand me here, one or two depending on the ship build and purpose is fine, I was saying if you need to fill the Engineering section with RCS your never going to enjoy the ship.
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# 14
05-30-2012, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DKnight1000
Don't misunderstand me here, one or two depending on the ship build and purpose is fine, I was saying if you need to fill the Engineering section with RCS your never going to enjoy the ship.
This wasn't due to anything you've said. I've just heard over and over on Deep Space 9 and Earth Spacedock the assertion 'cruisers don't need to turn, RCS on them is crap' and IMO it's just not true. It's true that RCS consoles definitely need to have a bigger omph on cruisers, but I've seen too many arguments that say 'cruisers don't need to turn' and in the same breath talk about broadsiding and switching shield facings - both of which require a turn rate to keep the targets and/or enemy fire in the desired arc. For me, a well-placed RCS console can mean the difference between bearably and unbearably slow. Cruisers aren't escorts, but they're also definitely not starbases.

Not that the Ody is helping me with that argument much...

In any case, I agree that if the situation with turning is so bad that you need to fill out the engineering slots with RCS consoles, you will probably not enjoy the ship, and likely won't be able to use it very effectively since you've traded your armor/power boosts for modest agility boosts (particularly since, AFAIK, RCS has diminishing returns).
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