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# 21
06-05-2012, 12:28 PM
To dknight1000....
Feds do not have yellowstone.
Also if you look at the bird of prey it has a cloak.
Dont you think that two danube runabouts with 18000 hull each and an ability of tractor beam 1 is worse than a single bird of prey with 36000 hull, abilities torpedo high yield 1 and canon rapid fire 1 and also a battle cloak and three good weapons. May i stress the fact that it has a battle cloak ?
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# 22
06-05-2012, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DKnight1000
Put on the same Level, so you want over half your content removed from the game? Significantly less ship choices and parts to make them out of?

For Example
Klingons get 2 choices for Shuttles. The Toron & the Tu'Doj. Fed gets how many? Danube, Peregrine, Delta, Yellowstone, & the new Stalker.

Yeah I left out a few. The Type 8 is a joke, the Type F and Chaffe are from a pack, the Vulcan comes with a ship Now if we Consider the Toron to equal the Danube and the two Fighters to cancel each other out. You still got three and each has an advantage. Fairness does not exist in this game. I'd settle for just being able to claim the Yellowstone Engines or a MK 2 Toron with 2 BOFF slots. As for the Stalker, there is no way I'd fly anything else in a shuttle PVP match.

Realistically and Logically an after the fact Launched Frigate will not be added to the Caitian Carrier. And if there was it would need to be a Caitian design.

And if you want a Carrier that has Frigates nothing is stopping you from going to the KDF side.
If you really expect someone to get from a level 25 klingon to 50 and leave every weapon and item and borg bridge officers they have then you are gravely mistaken.
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# 23
06-05-2012, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Naevius
Restrict the Danube runabouts to 1 per launch. That will solve two problems...
Give runabouts another beam array, FAW, and torp spread and we can talk.
Oh yeah don't forget more hull and shielding too.

The frigates (single launch hangars) get multiple BoFF abilities while most fighters (triple or single launches) get one.
Further the frigates also have more hull, more shields, and more weapons.

Frigates are an entire other "fighter type" unique to "large" carriers, of which the Atrox applies (being more or less equivalent to the VoQuv). Yet it doesn't have a frigate.
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# 24
06-05-2012, 01:12 PM
i'd suggest the aquarius escort (little weaker version of course) as the bop/ferjai-frigate equivalent. it would definetely fit into the bays.
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# 25
06-05-2012, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by silence1311
If you really expect someone to get from a level 25 klingon to 50 and leave every weapon and item and borg bridge officers they have then you are gravely mistaken.
the amount of choosable miniships isnt important when it comes to the outfitting options of a carrier. its 2 topics. the launchables more or less are the weapon-enhancement options for carriers. having only 2/4rth of the options! (not the variations of one option ...) is not fair at all, for both sides!

i think the runabouts are a very stupid launchable at all. shutles are a transport vehicle to me ... nothing thats launched for fighting purpose. okay the deltaflyer perhaps would make a good single-ship variant, ause its rather large (to large for voy bay, as we all know ;-))

what buggs me even more, is that the advanced runabouts didnt get the new skin ... a bit of pity to me.
the most stupid thing is the ombination of abilities the fed variants have:

croniton+tractor in runabouts is a double-innecessarity. what luck, the runabouts hardly use their tractors at all ...
shielddrain+transpahsic on delta ... really: do i want to SUCK the shields off, or do i want to do dmg through them?! - the deltas also hardly use their abilities ...
same is fpr the type10: pol hull gets activated at a certain hull loss, still they get blown off in explosions ... make its eptShields or beamoverload.

nevertheless i think the shuttles are stupid.

it should be fighters (3 ships) or single-ships (per bay/per launch) frigates/escorts.

kdf already fits into this, and the fed should get peregrine and deltas for fighters and aquarius-like thing as a frigate. (quantums, 1 dual array,+ overload if its an escort or eptShields, quantum, 2 arrays + spread1 or such and a sci variant could use 1 array, 1photon, hazard + energysyphon1)

also the kdf could get some more variety in the launcheables. its a pity the ferjai is limited to the one carrier, and the bop to the other carrier. just make more variety for both factions. the game is lacking variety (within the factions). i know some want their factions be special, but i see this specialtys as a limitation. i want specialty for what ive chossen from, not by what im limited by.

for kdf i barely have ideas though, but so may come up with some ideas for additional launcheable types/variations
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# 26
06-05-2012, 01:46 PM
The Bird-of-Prey is a Raider class vessel not an Escort. The Raptor is the Escort equivalent. The best you could hope for out of this is a Maquis style Raider class vessel. You just got Carriers and pets with all various types of CC (that's crowd control). Anyone can mash all their CDs for instant mega DPS but the serious players in any game have mastered the art of CC in any length of engagment. Demanding to launch Escort class ships is just asinine.
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# 27
06-05-2012, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by silence1311
To dknight1000....
Feds do not have yellowstone.
Also if you look at the bird of prey it has a cloak.
Dont you think that two danube runabouts with 18000 hull each and an ability of tractor beam 1 is worse than a single bird of prey with 36000 hull, abilities torpedo high yield 1 and canon rapid fire 1 and also a battle cloak and three good weapons. May i stress the fact that it has a battle cloak ?
It should have battle cloak. It's a B'Rel class Raider.
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# 28
06-05-2012, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lucianalliance View Post
The Bird-of-Prey is a Raider class vessel not an Escort. The Raptor is the Escort equivalent. The best you could hope for out of this is a Maquis style Raider class vessel. You just got Carriers and pets with all various types of CC (that's crowd control). Anyone can mash all their CDs for instant mega DPS but the serious players in any game have mastered the art of CC in any length of engagment. Demanding to launch Escort class ships is just asinine.
May I point you to the Karfi's frigate (frija or something like that). It is most certainly NOT a raider, further the feds have no analog to a raider.

Instead they should have something "fed like". A miranda light cruiser, a Nova science vessel, maybe a saber or NX escort.
This gives a variety of ways to take it (only need one).
You could go for a light cruiser with skills like FAW, and maybe an extend shield or some sort of healing.
You could go science and have it use possibly some team skills, and possibly CPB or another possibly more offensive science skill. Maybe let it have a torp or mine skill, a mine skill would make it pretty unique.
You could go with an escort, this would be pretty inline with what the KDF has for both frigates already (damage machines, with the karfi's being abit more on the cc side comparatively). Have it use unique weapons for a launchable craft like dual beams.

The options are there, the Atrox just lacks a fighter with muscle, something can be launched into "spam" and survive more than 2 seconds. Something that has the more robust staying power associated with the karfi frigates or bops.
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# 29
06-05-2012, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by shelev
Give runabouts another beam array, FAW, and torp spread and we can talk.
Oh yeah don't forget more hull and shielding too.

The frigates (single launch hangars) get multiple BoFF abilities while most fighters (triple or single launches) get one.
Further the frigates also have more hull, more shields, and more weapons.

Frigates are an entire other "fighter type" unique to "large" carriers, of which the Atrox applies (being more or less equivalent to the VoQuv). Yet it doesn't have a frigate.
Vo'Quv isn't afforded any genuine CC abilities on its pets. The only genuine CC KDF has on its carrier pets is on the Fer'Jai Frigate which cannot be launched from the Vo'Quv. While you only have one carrier at this time, all of your pets state in the tooltip they can be launched from any, yes any, Federation carrier. Two of the ten KDF pets are restricted to a single carrier type. KDF players must also buy four C-Store ships for the ability to launch the remaining carrier type unrestricted pets from their ship.
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# 30
06-05-2012, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by lucianalliance View Post
Vo'Quv isn't afforded any genuine CC abilities on its pets. The only genuine CC KDF has on its carrier pets is on the Fer'Jai Frigate which cannot be launched from the Vo'Quv. While you only have one carrier at this time, all of your pets state in the tooltip they can be launched from any, yes any, Federation carrier. Two of the ten KDF pets are restricted to a single carrier type. KDF players must also buy four C-Store ships for the ability to launch the remaining carrier type unrestricted pets from their ship.
Uhm... maybe I point you to the orion ships? Particularly the interceptors?

The Orion Interceptor is the best CC fighter in the game, bar none, no questions asked.
Its launched in threes, and has a short cooldown, advanced version has chron torps (yes its more chron spam than runabouts), also has the ability to drain/offline engines AND weapons. Yup it can stack you with chron debuffs, and offline your weapons and engines, in a single fighter.


The karfi with its two unique fighters (friagte and skuls) costs 1600cp, it also comes with a built in special ability.
The voquv is FREE and comes with the unique bop hangars.
The Atrox is 2000cp, comes with a single unqiue pet, and no special abilities.

Get your voquv for free, buy a dracoit (or whatever the name fo the one with the interceptors is) and tadah, spent less than an Atrox and have better fighters and you also have flight deck officers. You also get all three different type of fighters (single, double, and triples).

So again why should the Atrox, not have access in some way to a single launch "frigate"?
Why shouldn't the Atrox be on remotely equal ground to there KDF counter parts?

The Atrox still needs fed flight deck officers which are "coming, at some point in the future", and realistically it still needs a frigate to fully compete with the other carriers (which cost less!).
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