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# 21
06-11-2012, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by USS_Merriman
For the upteenth time, it CANNOT be a skin of another ship ala (Galaxy). The scaling is too far off, and the design would not fit based on the size difference. Not to mention, there is no point in even making an Ambassador if it is just a carbon "copy" of a Galaxy, or any other ship, which, it is not. It is its' own ship, and will be made as its' own ship. Read Al Rivera's recent post and it will fill you in on some important information about this particular ship class.
I don't know what scaling you are using, but the Ambassador and the Galaxy ARE pretty darn close in size. The size varience is smaller than the size variance on the Nova/Rhode Island and its varients. The difference in hul sizes on many of the ships in this game makes it ENTIRELY possible to render the Ambassador as a Galaxy varient. After all, the Ambassador model WAS designed starting with the Galaxy, then working backwards. You make it out to seem as it it was made from the ground up (i.e. unique design).

Also, why are you being such a downer (aka negative nancy) on so many people's ideas and posts(besides mine)?
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# 22
06-11-2012, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by NeilCell View Post
I don't know what scaling you are using, but the Ambassador and the Galaxy ARE pretty darn close in size. The size varience is smaller than the size variance on the Nova/Rhode Island and its varients. The difference in hul sizes on many of the ships in this game makes it ENTIRELY possible to render the Ambassador as a Galaxy varient. After all, the Ambassador model WAS designed starting with the Galaxy, then working backwards. You make it out to seem as it it was made from the ground up (i.e. unique design).

Also, why are you being such a downer (aka negative nancy) on so many people's ideas and posts(besides mine)?
I think people get it confused with the jump from the Exc to Amb class. There was a pretty big jump in ship size between the two. But between the Amb and Gal, not so much.
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# 23 Ambassador beauty
06-11-2012, 01:45 PM
Just a few statistics and some other info on the Ambassador Class.

Length: 526 meters (Excelsior is 467and the Galaxy is 641 just fro reference.)
Decks: 26 ( this is debatable, I have found different numbers to suggest higher)

The class of ship was intended for longer deep space missions and border defense. It was also made to be a test bed for the next class of ship.
It has been speculated that the Ambassador Class had very few ships manufactured and that the majority of the ships was lost at the battle of Wolf 359. Starfleet was left with little resources and decided to put efforts into making newer class ships that could combat the BORG.
The reason we see so many Excelsior ships out and about was that so many were put into production during the high tensions with the Klingons. Starfleet was forced at the time to give up on retrofitting older starships (constitution class) and put efforts into a long term sturdy spaceframe that would take Starfleet into the next century.
It is generally stated that the Ambassador class built to replace the aging Excelsior class starship.

My own speculation is that since starfleet lost most of the ships and had an overabundance of Excelsior, Miranda and Oberth class ships and most of their new design types (New orleans, Cheyenne etc.) were rushed out and destroyed by the Borg that hey didnt really have much resources left and put most of waht they had into retrofitting the older classes left around. This is why during TNG the only new ship itself that was really seen were Galaxy class ships.
Obviously in real life it was all about money saving and using what models they already had laying around but I generally accept my own speculation as to why the Ambassador Class isn't around.

Note: this is not a reason for there NOT to be an Ambassador Class in game, just thought I could give a little bit insight into the class itself.
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# 24
06-12-2012, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by NeilCell View Post
I don't know what scaling you are using, but the Ambassador and the Galaxy ARE pretty darn close in size. The size varience is smaller than the size variance on the Nova/Rhode Island and its varients. The difference in hul sizes on many of the ships in this game makes it ENTIRELY possible to render the Ambassador as a Galaxy varient. After all, the Ambassador model WAS designed starting with the Galaxy, then working backwards. You make it out to seem as it it was made from the ground up (i.e. unique design).

Also, why are you being such a downer (aka negative nancy) on so many people's ideas and posts(besides mine)?
I'm *not* being negative. I'm just saying, why make a thread about what someone thinks Ambassador *should be* when a Dev already touched base about Ambassador and it is completely different.

Also, I'm 99% sure a Dev once mention scaling could not be done for an Ambassador in a Galaxy skin a long, long time ago.

Lastly, "IF" the devs were to just make a "skin" of Ambassador for a Galaxy, and it were possible, don't you think it would have been in the game a long time ago?

Here's AL's post........

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...bassador+Class

In case anyone did not read it. He says: likely T3 AND T5...and hints to if he could do it over he may have re-made it Ambassador and Galaxy at the same time. (This means as DIFFERENT ships for anyone who is decent at inferring).

I'm not trying to be negative, but instead of saying something has to be this way, please read what a Dev said beforehand. It makes speculation, and what will end up happening pretty clear. Just wait on the Ambassador. It will be out in its' own time, likely as its' own ship. Al took time to make a rare posting about this so the fans know what's coming. Please give the man a chance.
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# 25
06-12-2012, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by USS_Merriman
Also, I'm 99% sure a Dev once mention scaling could not be done for an Ambassador in a Galaxy skin a long, long time ago.
Cheap excuse. If you have put together one of the ATM Ambassador class model kits, a Soverign, and a Galaxy class model that are scaled to each other (and those WERE made), you would get a better idea of what can and cannot be scaled. in graphics, miracles can be made. I just wish I could upload the picture I took of the Ambassador model I completed with the saucer and the secondary hull separate.

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Originally Posted by USS_Merriman
Lastly, "IF" the devs were to just make a "skin" of Ambassador for a Galaxy, and it were possible, don't you think it would have been in the game a long time ago?

Here's AL's post........

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...bassador+Class

In case anyone did not read it. He says: likely T3 AND T5...and hints to if he could do it over he may have re-made it Ambassador and Galaxy at the same time. (This means as DIFFERENT ships for anyone who is decent at inferring).

It will be out in its' own time, likely as its' own ship. Al took time to make a rare posting about this so the fans know what's coming. Please give the man a chance.
So.....what was the point of the Venture varient? It disporves your argument.
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# 26
06-13-2012, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by NeilCell View Post
Cheap excuse. If you have put together one of the ATM Ambassador class model kits, a Soverign, and a Galaxy class model that are scaled to each other (and those WERE made), you would get a better idea of what can and cannot be scaled. in graphics, miracles can be made. I just wish I could upload the picture I took of the Ambassador model I completed with the saucer and the secondary hull separate.

So.....what was the point of the Venture varient? It disporves your argument.
A cheap excuse? Are you accusing me of some wild conspiracy now? Instead of nerd raging on the forums, why don't you personally just email GECKO and DEMAND an Ambassador skin from the Galaxy then? It's not like answers from another player or even a Dev designer themselves will change your mind anyway.
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# 27
06-14-2012, 04:47 PM
From my recollection the Devs have been talking about an Enterprise-C/Ambassador class for well over a year now and we've still not seen anything. I took at least a 6 month break from the game and I know when I left 6 mos ago it was a hot topic. I wouldn't take what the Devs say about it as set in stone since it has been a known topic of discussion for so long and as of yet nothing has been done about it. I'm pretty sure they were thinking about the ship and lord knows there were tons of threads on it before even the Nebula came out.
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# 28
06-14-2012, 09:11 PM
Sorry about the long delay, but yes I took some screenies.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...12-39-20-1.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...7-12-39-34.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...7-12-39-28.jpg

To me, it doesn't look exactly like a Galaxy or any of it's skins. I believe this is an Ambassador.
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# 29
06-15-2012, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by baelogventure
Sorry about the long delay, but yes I took some screenies.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...12-39-20-1.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...7-12-39-34.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...7-12-39-28.jpg

To me, it doesn't look exactly like a Galaxy or any of it's skins. I believe this is an Ambassador.
Or an in-game proto-type rendering of said ship. One can only hope.
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# 30
06-15-2012, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by baelogventure
Sorry about the long delay, but yes I took some screenies.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...12-39-20-1.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...7-12-39-34.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...7-12-39-28.jpg

To me, it doesn't look exactly like a Galaxy or any of it's skins. I believe this is an Ambassador.
That's the old Excaliber/Excalibur class, designed by Perpetual Entertainment, before Cryptic took over the development of STO. Looks kinda like a galaxy class scooting around on it's butt like a dog with worms.

http://deningart.blogspot.com/2010/0...-flagship.html
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