Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
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I saved up dilith for C to buy items.

I bought a bortasqu command with pnumonic and acetons.

I have klingin honor guard engine and the rest is borg tec, these have been the best defence i have found.

i have 4 tetryon cannons and 4 turrets.

my consoles are mostly purple and i tried to set this ship up for tanking damage.

when i first started out with it it did well.

now i go into a pvp and my shield is dropped in 1 second with all my skills popped.

and my hull drops like a stone.

all this is usualy done by a ship so tiny i cant make out what it is but i think its usually a

defiant.

with the aceton pnumonic and cannons blazeing i dont scratch these little tiny ships but like i said my shields drop in a second and hull too.

I am a tactical and use 2 tactical skills for shield and they shoot right through bthem so if there are better

ship engine, deflector, and shield set up i need to know about it because right now im about to dump this game.

when i said this in a pvp match i got pm's from others saying they agree and are thinking the same.

if you know a system that workes better please let me know because at this point it feels like the C store items are either worthless right off the bat or have been nerfed which means there simply there to get you to spend money if you dont want to put in the time.

update: i just read the post "cruiser's suck" and i now realize that i was fooled into getting the cruiser.

I should have just realized that the fed escort would be super OP'd and have the same tanking power of the cruiser but live and learn and find another game.

I have wasted enough time money and effort on a game that makes you a failure by choosing incorrectly.

I read on in the "cruiser's suck" thread and people write that they can make there cruiser fly like a escort.

and do the great damage to and i have to say bull... I havnt fought a cruiser one on one that could make a difference without a defiant comeing to do damage.

its the fact that a escort can tank the as good if not better then a cruiser that needs correction.

PS. one of the PM's i got was to check out E3 dont know what that is but ill google it.
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# 2
06-09-2012, 04:38 PM
ALOT of your PVPers are using Shields and weapons they choose based on Benefits, There are weaponry out there that is better for PVP vs Using Borg Gear. There are also Consoles and engines/shields/deflectors, That when chosen are better for PVP then using Borg gear. STF gear is built around handling the Borg. Some people use Shields that are based around Tanking Anti-proton or Phaser - The two most commonly used weaponry. There ships are also not setup as if they were going into an STF they are setup differently. STF gear may be End game gear, But its built for running Task forces. Carry Different plates on you to be able to shift your Tank Vs what the majority are doing. I often have multiple sets of Diburnium, electroceramic, etc. If you use a Multi- tank setup like nuetronium You are only taking X percent VS setting up against one direct. Most players jump on Antiproton at the end of the game, Great dammage type. But if everyones using enti-proton I will swap my shielding and engineering consoles to tank Vs Antiproton. For Example in my Defiant I will have a Mk XII Very Rare Monotanium and 2 other Tanked Vs the majority Dammage type. For example If the majority is using Phasers. I will have 1 Mk XII Very Rare Monotanium Alloy, and 2 Mk XII Very Rare Diburnium. Also check your stats and make sure your cruiser is setup correctly with YOUR skill trained. You might have to Respec your character. But a BOP/ Raptor Can DPS just like the Defiant Can. I can rip apart a Fed in a cloaky, Just like I can rip apart a KDF in a Cloaky (defiant/dreadnought) Another thing is, Being in a slow moving ship (bortasqu) Vs a Defiant, you are going to loose. Tacs, Especially Tacs in a Escort styled ship (KDF/FED ) Are Shotguns in motion. Knowing how to set your ship up, Knowing your enemy (the majority) is a big point in any PVP. If I get behind your Bortas in a Defiant, your wasted. Because I will be Slamming all my buffs, your debuff, decloaking which gives an additional 15% dammage. And.. Your popped if it's setup right and you are not.
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# 3
06-09-2012, 05:03 PM
yeah i know what you are saying what im saying is the little tiny defiant turns toward your gigantic slow turning bort and sits there and tanks all your damage. im set up with tons of dps.

i also have energy drain on the weapons with the pnumonic and use a energy siphon skill then pop a aceton gen and with all that energy drain and damage they just sit there and eat my shields then hull.

i have tried the shields that give 20% resistance to certain damage and they die faster then the setup i have now.

the simple fact is the op'd nature of the C store bop and defiant is understandable but what isnt right and i think everyone would aggree is there ability to tank a crusiers damage while doing that massive damage.

why would anyone use anything else?.

you have all the durability of the cruiser and more of the fire power.

i fought a advanced escort one on one and he just sat infront of me chewing me up and he was useing borg dual heavy cannons.

there not even the top damage guns you can get and i barly survived, and the fight was about 8 minutes long i had 2 aceton gens running and he simply sat there.

this is a ship that can fly so fast guns dont even hit it but its able to sit and tank so yes it is not developed correctly and needs to be corrected.

the fast small ships are much to rugged and need to be balanced
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# 4
06-09-2012, 05:39 PM
it all depends on how many feild gens u can put on a ship thats why the bortas sucks get a kar fi instead it can have 4 sheild consoles u should be able to keep ur shields up toe to toe with a defiant

ps.
the borg set sucks i dont know why so many love it KHG set is better id even prefer a remen xii pruple set
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# 5
06-09-2012, 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by judge7

you have all the durability of the cruiser and more of the fire power.

"snip, snip..."

this is a ship that can fly so fast guns dont even hit it but its able to sit and tank so yes it is not developed correctly and needs to be corrected.

the fast small ships are much to rugged and need to be balanced
Escorts have the durability of a cruiser? Escorts Always beating you? I think your problem is a lack of a good build and the experience to play it. This game's build system has a LOT of pitfalls, and escort pilots have to learn how to make something at least decent or die at every encounter, cruisers are far more forgiving so its easier to never learn how to build and play properly.
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# 6
06-09-2012, 07:35 PM
Just Remember, Cruisers are your jack of all trades. In DPS a BOP/ESC will always win. There built to. You are already neutering your character being a Tac with not being able to fully utilize your abilities. Even if you threw your Tac in the LC slot, you are still missing the Commander Skill sets. Your Tactical Powers push you towards boosting your Crit hit rate, Crit severity, and Dammage output. While also dropping your enemies Dammage resistance. Make sure your weapons are also pushed towards that. For example having weapons with high severity and high crit rates. The Fact your in a bortasqu going up against a smaller faster ship you will always be at a disadvantage. There is a Reason the majority of Cruisers use Beams, So they maximize how many weapons are hitting a target. If I am above or below you, or even worse, I get behind you since I fly if I want to cloaked in a defiant. , I only have to worry about your turrets. I can severely out manuever you. Will always happen. If you are not Tanked right, I will melt you in a matter of moments. Always check your Resists, check your Defense tab on your character sheet.

For Example, My Escort after my skill setup, equipment setup is taken into affect, I have a Hull of 39,001. My resists depending on what I plan to tank are around 48% with the rest in the teens. My Kinetics are in the 30's and if I realize I do not need my Kinetic tank, I can throw another energy resist on. Your Cruiser should be able to tank Decently with 4 Eng You can run with Dual monotanium and Dual other resist Or 3/1 or even all 4 of the same again based upon what you are fighting. But Again, Everyones builds are different. There is really no direct Build out there, every build you read is based on how that player Set his character up and the style he plays. I have 14 Boffs Made for my Tac based upon what situation I am in. This way if I die, I can swap to a different setup. Same as my Equip. Never rely on one setup. When you are out of Combat you can make tweaks.
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# 7
06-09-2012, 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDog0000
it all depends on how many feild gens u can put on a ship thats why the bortas sucks get a kar fi instead it can have 4 sheild consoles u should be able to keep ur shields up toe to toe with a defiant

ps.
the borg set sucks i dont know why so many love it KHG set is better id even prefer a remen xii pruple set
The Borg 2-piece (Engines or Deflector and Console, and can be mixed with another 2-piece set) or 3-piece (Engines, Console, Deflector) is decent when mixed with a good shield. The MACO is the favorite, but is Fed-only. The KHG and Omega shields aren't bad, either, but the Borg shield is very weak to alpha strikes due to its much lower capacity. Other than possibly the fully-upgraded Reman shields, I don't know if dedicated PvP fleets (TSI or Sad Pandas, for instance) consider any other shields worthwhile.

Properly built Cruisers can handle an Escort's alpha strike, easily. Mavairo's thread on PvP Cruisers helps... my Assault Cruiser can deflect a lot of firepower even without using my Captain's engineering skills.

Field Generators help, but not as much as Emergency Power to Shields, which grants 30 seconds of shield power increase and shield resistance, and with 2 copies can be chained indefinitely (and Emergency Power causes a 15 second cooldown on other Emergency Powers to other systems, meaning that you can run Emergency Power to Shields and Weapons more-or-less continuously).
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# 8
06-09-2012, 08:34 PM
Lets not forget the Sexy Dragon Build for Cruisers
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# 9
06-10-2012, 03:19 AM
The Bortesqu is awesome with DHC. But it's poor turn rate completely negates the potential use of it.

If you are a tac the best build you could look towards is running 1x Purple Dual Beam Bank up front and the rest Purple Beam Arrays. You may want to use a 1x Quantum Torp as well if you are using Torp Spread.

Defiants are problem for any large ship, so the best defence is to take way from their turn rate and slow them down. Pick up a Chrotonic Mine Launcher usually slows them down enough to get alot of DPS on target. Plasma Mines are great burn damage and also slow ships down sometimes.

Just as a Defiant cannot afford to slug it out, neither can you try to outgun a Defiant. Drop your power levels to maximum defence. Your DPS will eventually outstrip the Defiants ability to heal itself. As soon as the Defiant starts showing signs of weakness, risk pushing your weapon power to maximum, and then fire "Go Down Fighting".

Use this helpful macro to redistribute shields everytime you fire your weapons:

/bind [...Insert the key you want here...] "GenSendMessage HUD_Root FirePhasers $$ +power_exec Distribute_Shields"

Also, bind all your power levels to keys so that you can quickly swop when you need to.
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# 10
06-10-2012, 04:25 AM
If your in a Cruiser and your not rotating EPtS your dead before you even started. Cannons on a Bortasqu in PVP are a waste of time IMO, Now DHC could work but it would be hard, so your best bet would be beams.

As for tanking your damage if it's 4 turrets anything can take that damage and most could probably stay out of your forward arc.

KHG Engines are great, but the Borg shield is rubbish for PVP.

Please post your ship loadout and BOFF skills and we will see if we can help you. IMO Cruisers do not suck but they aren't the big guns most people seem to want them to be.

Correctly built you just can't be taken down by a single ship, incorrectly built and your toast.
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