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# 11
06-13-2012, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Woril View Post
Well, judging alone by timer based optionals space STF's are obviosly designed for offensively oriented and agile ships, which is the exact opposite of what Federation cruisers are.

And you can perfectly tank everything you encounter in an elite STF in an escort as long as you do not behave as a "sitting duck". Usually you will also not receive any healing except from yourself.


I have found that it is very helpful to train with the Romulans & the Remans. Fighting them gives you more experience shooting down incoming plasma torpedoes. Although I wish there was a way to auto target them. Because you do have to be VERY fast on the draw..
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# 12
06-13-2012, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ivoe1574 View Post
But one needs the support of "plenty" of healing crusiers as well. Escorts may have the fire power but the lack the tanking ability to do it alone. i


Curious what part of my message came across as trolling??
I've seen 5 geard out escorts (my self included) take down elite infected in less than 8 minuets, with no loss of ships.


An escort in the right hands is a force to be reckoned with, I don't see how a STF can be done with out one (I know they can, I just would never want to be part of that attempt.)
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# 13
06-13-2012, 11:37 AM
I actually get worried sometimes when I get put in an STF with nothing but Escorts.

Sure, I know they have the firepower to complete everything, but it's whether or not the player behind them will LISTEN and follow the advice of others to completing it that worries me.

did KASE the other day, and as soon as the tactical cube was destroyed, eventually 3 of the 4 cubes were spawned because 3 players had their own ideas as to how they're suppose to complete the mission.

We didn't make the optional because of the lack of teamwork. When Donatra finally spawned, and everyone focused all their firepower on one target, she went down FAST though.


Not even an all escort team will be efficient enough to get the optional on Cure Space Elite though. Same reason: teamwork and the lack there-of. Always one person who insists on destroying a cube before the others are ready to be destroyed themselves, and not enough defense to survive the onslaught of BoPs and warships that come swarming out afterward.
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# 14
06-13-2012, 11:47 AM
best setup in my opinion is a cruiser that can tank a cube and a gate+4 escorts with cannons
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# 15
06-13-2012, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by krenlik View Post
Assuming that you're not just trolling.... STFs are geared primarily to escorts. DPS is the name of the game, and that's what escorts do. You may blow up occasionally, but any STF without at least 2 escorts is going to be a long and ugly road. It can be done, but it's much less painful with adaquate firepower.
I did an STF (normal space), with 1 escort, 3 carriers, and me (excelsior).

We got optional with plenty of time and had little difficulty.

Edit: Seriously, space stfs are not a "Must have escort to succeed." Helps? Sure. But you can do stfs without an escort and still win.
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# 16
06-13-2012, 05:07 PM
Frequently I find myself the only escort on an STF. Some of the cruiser builds surprise the hell out of me though. They can take down stuff pretty darned quick. It's nice when a cruiser throws a heal my way on rare occasion, but I don't expect it. I guess they've just become de-sensitized to seeing escorts blowing all over the place.
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# 17
06-13-2012, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gribblegrab
Frequently I find myself the only escort on an STF. Some of the cruiser builds surprise the hell out of me though. They can take down stuff pretty darned quick. It's nice when a cruiser throws a heal my way on rare occasion, but I don't expect it. I guess they've just become de-sensitized to seeing escorts blowing all over the place.
Just remember to stay in range of any healboats you're teamed with. I can't count the number of times I've been in a healboat or healsci, seen some kamikaze escort at 20% hull, and not been able to do anything about it because he's flying off in the wrong direction.
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# 18
06-13-2012, 06:04 PM
Escorts are the best in STFs, if you have a 5 escort team they take 15 minutes. The worst thing in Elite STFs are tactical captains in cruisers who think that because their shirt is red they are some dps god & never heal anyone because they're not carrying ANY heals while they fly an Odyssey with what, 2 tactical powers? The worst thing in an STF is a cruiser that doesn't heal, and escorts not being healed coming in a close second.

News flash:
CRUISERS ARE NOT DPS BOATS, I'm kinda making a blanket statement & I'm sure some people will argue with me here. Just promise me you won't be that guy. Carry Extend Shields, not boarding parties, not aceton field, not Eject warp plasma, and not DEM3.
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# 19
06-13-2012, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ReginaMala View Post
Just remember to stay in range of any healboats you're teamed with. I can't count the number of times I've been in a healboat or healsci, seen some kamikaze escort at 20% hull, and not been able to do anything about it because he's flying off in the wrong direction.
This^
As a cruiser tank, I also have a respectable variety of heals. Many times, the escorts run out of my range when in trouble. (Extend shields is even shorter range than my other helpful abilities)
But I understand that people may be used to cruisers not healing, and thus, making escorts used to fending for themselves.
For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would rock a cruiser and not have at least a couple heals to help out. Especially when the dmg potential is so low in those ships Vs Escorts. If I am in a cruiser, it ain't for the loldeeps. It's because I am:
A: an engineer.
B: expecting to tank, or...
C: expecting to heal.
D: All of the above. (usually the case)
It works well for me.

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Originally Posted by KamikazKid
Escorts are the best in STFs, if you have a 5 escort team they take 15 minutes. The worst thing in Elite STFs are tactical captains in cruisers who think that because their shirt is red they are some dps god & never heal anyone because they're not carrying ANY heals while they fly an Odyssey with what, 2 tactical powers? The worst thing in an STF is a cruiser that doesn't heal, and escorts not being healed coming in a close second.

News flash:
CRUISERS ARE NOT DPS BOATS, I'm kinda making a blanket statement & I'm sure some people will argue with me here. Just promise me you won't be that guy. Carry Extend Shields, not boarding parties, not aceton field, not Eject warp plasma, and not DEM3.
It personally bothers me to see Tacs in cruisers in team play (STF, Fleet Actions, etc... what they do on their own time is nobody's business). They're gimping themselves. They're not tanks. And they're hurting their own damage by not playing to their own strengths. Basically, the reverse of why my engineers don't fly escorts. (was on a team once in a ISN with 3 eng in escorts. It was terrible. Seriously)

To the News Flash... I agree. I try to optimize my damage as best as I can, but I know my limitations in cruisers. EWP shouldn't replace Extend, but if you can fit both, then more power to you. In KASE, I often get stuck on probe duty and EWP is about the only thing that saves my bacon. 1, 2, even 3 probes at once, I can usually handle. It's the 4th that makes me nervous. Never missed him yet, but have come dangerously close a few times.
On that note... I can heal, but my focus is to be a punching bag. Placing me where damage is needed is playing to my weakness, not my strength.
Please Escorts, let me tank the gates, cubes and spheres and don't put me on probe duty anymore
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# 20
06-13-2012, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KamikazKid
Escorts are the best in STFs, if you have a 5 escort team they take 15 minutes. The worst thing in Elite STFs are tactical captains in cruisers who think that because their shirt is red they are some dps god & never heal anyone because they're not carrying ANY heals while they fly an Odyssey with what, 2 tactical powers? The worst thing in an STF is a cruiser that doesn't heal, and escorts not being healed coming in a close second.

News flash:
CRUISERS ARE NOT DPS BOATS, I'm kinda making a blanket statement & I'm sure some people will argue with me here. Just promise me you won't be that guy. Carry Extend Shields, not boarding parties, not aceton field, not Eject warp plasma, and not DEM3.
Tac/cruiser arent dps gods but my Tac/Negvar can melt some serious face in STFs, but i also carry heals and heal myself and others. Longer everyone lives more they do. Escorts are the way to go to grind STFs quickly but not if you dont enjoy playing them.

Cruisers with EWP3 can hold gates etc solo, Sci with gravity well 3 + tyken rift are pretty awesome. As escort you wanna roll scatter volley and torp spread.

I play all types in STFs anything can work. And ive been in KA with 4 cubes spawned and no one died, pug group. If people know what they are doing not hard to take down all cubes and all transformers virtually at same time.
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