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# 11
06-17-2012, 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Geoff_484
You know what gets me?

If hardly any of them are playing PvP, why care about KDF ships being op?

I'm not saying they are, I just don't get it since most of them are PvE'ers. Is it simply out of jealousy?
Indeed they are jealous. I was in Kerrat on my Fed toonand the whining about the OP Klingons who lurk there and kill single Fed was overwhelming.

I could tell some of the new problems with Kerrat, but this thread is the wrong place to do so.
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# 12
06-17-2012, 02:06 AM
Eh pretty much what will happen is they want their majority of money blowers to have someone to beat up on but when the revenue they do get from primarily KDF players tanks to almost nothing at all they will want to dig into what they can get out of a quick copy and paste with no work done at all... Example vorcha and negh var the 2 easiest examples... copies of federation cruisers in which they should be more designed to what KDF ships actually are... as well as class only skills and it wasn't really something worthy of drink and song to be a scientist either although there is no style to the KDF just a lot of cut and paste.

Although when they do give us something the feds just cry immediately that its not fair because they want the ability to win without doing anything except for flying near our ships. In the end its up to cryptic whether or not to reward their attitudes and to make this fun for everyone.

Also side note you cannot call people pve'rs or pvp'rs because for one 99.999999999% of this game especially to the KDF is PvE and more to an extent STF's. Second PvP is so horribly designed in this game that after you've done over 100 matches its like drinking dirty water you just get sick of it. There is no purpose to PvP in this game to the point that it is no different from challenging anyone to queing... The last and final thing is majority of your KDF players are long time mmo or internet gaming people that know what they are doing and most of the game eventually is not even a challenge... the only challenge is finding federation players who know enough not to get a team wiped for STF's is usually all that we hope for.
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# 13
06-17-2012, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Kilawpilath View Post
What bothers me is not that the Feds got a new ship.. it's that it's a better ship then one we have..

Armatige = Super Fleet Escort.

Marauder = Slightly better Star Cruiser.

If your going to make ships.. At least make it so that there feels like some semblance of balance between them. >.< Am I the only one who thinks the Escort should be A Klingon ship and the Cruiser should be a Fed ship? Bah.
I think the Marauder and it's built in Shuttles feel more Orion than anything else, and since the Orion is KDF...
I don't think a Raptor would launch Fighters, nor would a BoP, but I think KDF would employ an Escort that allows Pilots the Honour of Battle with an Escort for backup. Why not give us a new Escort, just make sure it matches the T5 Akira. Because if it existed (with or without cloak) it would be OP since it would be KDF and not Fed.

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Originally Posted by Zeuxidemus
Eh pretty much what will happen is they want their majority of money blowers to have someone to beat up on but when the revenue they do get from primarily KDF players tanks to almost nothing at all they will want to dig into what they can get out of a quick copy and paste with no work done at all... Example vorcha and negh var the 2 easiest examples... copies of federation cruisers in which they should be more designed to what KDF ships actually are... as well as class only skills and it wasn't really something worthy of drink and song to be a scientist either although there is no style to the KDF just a lot of cut and paste.

Although when they do give us something the feds just cry immediately that its not fair because they want the ability to win without doing anything except for flying near our ships. In the end its up to cryptic whether or not to reward their attitudes and to make this fun for everyone.

Also side note you cannot call people pve'rs or pvp'rs because for one 99.999999999% of this game especially to the KDF is PvE and more to an extent STF's. Second PvP is so horribly designed in this game that after you've done over 100 matches its like drinking dirty water you just get sick of it. There is no purpose to PvP in this game to the point that it is no different from challenging anyone to queing... The last and final thing is majority of your KDF players are long time mmo or internet gaming people that know what they are doing and most of the game eventually is not even a challenge... the only challenge is finding federation players who know enough not to get a team wiped for STF's is usually all that we hope for.
Wasn't the Negh'Var there from day one, and completely unique in BOFF layout until the Galaxy R was released? As for the Vor'Cha it's different enough from an Assault Cruiser if you want it to be, since it will work with DHCs. And when the Feds whine about the Gal R having the most useless BOFF layout of all time I like to remind them it's the same as the Negh'Var and suddenly it's only crippling to their ship.

Now as for PVP being completely useless, name a game where it's not. WoW has PVP World zones, but they are just a way of gating content. Want to do the Raid? Need to win at PVP. None of the PVP ques in WoW matter.

Make a Sector in the game a new one, Transwarp there. Whoever controls 60% of the Sector gets to do the special mission for bonus Dilitium and a rare item, it's even a Shuttle Mission, there's a solo 20hr cooldown one and team one. That Sector would be KDF Dominated, unlike Ker'Rat which is a PVE mission where Ganking is king this would be a proper capture and hold battle. (That gives out no Dilitithium) the Feds would most of the time be losing ground to us unless they could bring numbers into the fight like Ker'Rat. And the thing would be designed not to allow 20 of them to 5 of us.
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# 14
06-17-2012, 04:32 AM
I for one am amused that you let yourself get influenced by it...

I COULD go around making posts that I find it silly that the KDF keeps demanding more stuff, since it is clear they are a second grade faction that isn't interesting to the Developers or the player and that less than 1/5'th of the players even have a KDF...

Instead I just go "meh..." and move on.

Really... Some people can never get enough... Just ignore them and move on. Replying and acting on such threads merely serve to keep them on top of the list (Hence drawing attention to them).
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# 15
06-17-2012, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by catliketyping
I want a Cruiser... that turns like an Escort... with 6 weapons fore, 6 weapons aft... 360 degree quantum torpedo launchers...

That's how the Enterprise was in Nemesis! It could turn on a dime, and wiped out the Scimitar easily.

Oh, it also detects BoPs because cloaked ships can't beat Jean Luc Picard!
I totally LOL'ed

But any who, what do you expect from the fed players...greed is Human nature. (Bad joke and pun I know but I only had like 3 hours of sleep so shoot me )
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# 16
06-17-2012, 06:03 AM
Well im well aware there are feddie players wanting specific things , i freely admit im one of them , i do however think its unfair to label all fed players as ' spoilt ' or ' kiddies'

Star Trek being what it is , everyone has their favorite ships and wants to play that in game . i know the KDF needs things a HELL of a lot more than the federation does , but claiming that fed players are whining about ships is kinda - bleh
again , i know this is kind of pointless to say , but just because feds get the lions share of the dev time , doesnt mean all feds are klingon-baby-eating fiends stealing dev time away from honest-hard-working klingons

that said , this is just my opinion , and probably not a popular one , so feel free to ignore me
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# 17
06-17-2012, 06:22 AM
Anyone that's been with this game long enough knows the totally slanted development in this game heavily, *HEAVILY* favors the Federation at the cost of everything else.

And the devs wonder why not many play the KDF?

And the devs are supposedly amazed as to why PVP is in the condition it finds itself in?

The above two points suffer from one common thing: Dev neglect, but PVP has suffered far worse in that it has received absolutely no love or any sort of expansion since the game came out.

Again, the devs hate working on the above 2 points and have made it abundantly clear they hate working on the KDF most especially. Cryptic posts over here on a ultra rare occasion that, "They love the KDF and will do whatever it takes to push something for the KDF," or some pathetic line like that. But anyone that has followed the history of this game knows that statements like that are complete, utter trash.

The last, truly unique thing of the KDF is the Bird of Prey. Let's see how long before Cryptic w h o r e s that out also. Because Carriers, Cloaks, and the BOP's universal BOFF slots (lesser degree) have been w h o r e d out already. Next thing you know the Federation will be a cloaked fleet flying cannons, Birds of Prey, and Romulan Warbirds.
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# 18
06-17-2012, 08:07 AM
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And the devs wonder why not many play the KDF?

And the devs are supposedly amazed as to why PVP is in the condition it finds itself in?

The above two points suffer from one common thing: Dev neglect, but PVP has suffered far worse in that it has received absolutely no love or any sort of expansion since the game came out.
1. Even in a collective of weirdos like Trek fandom, the guys who got their headpieces fitted were seen as the weirdos. Klingons will never be as popular. Sorry.

2. Having PvP in an MMO is always a mistake. They should kill it.

3. No money in it for them. Alpha was a pity mission.
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# 19
06-17-2012, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Warmaker01 View Post
The last, truly unique thing of the KDF is the Bird of Prey. Let's see how long before Cryptic w h o r e s that out also. Because Carriers, Cloaks, and the BOP's universal BOFF slots (lesser degree) have been w h o r e d out already. Next thing you know the Federation will be a cloaked fleet flying cannons, Birds of Prey, and Romulan Warbirds.
Once Starfleet gets Birds of Prey, then they'll see how different they are to run compared to Escorts. MVAM Escorts might have a Sci layout that BoPs can run, but Battle Cloak is not just a benefit when you've got much less hull and shields. It's also a curse that you must manage effectively or die quickly in the process.

I daresay the majority would not like the new toy that they got, which is why the Hegh'ta and B'rel are far from the universal choice in our faction.

Of course, with the Armitage being a better DPS monster than the Cruiser-type flight deck ships on the KDF side, I'd expect a Starfleet BoP to have an Escort's console & weapon layout, heavier hull & shielding than the Hegh'ta, and turn rate like a B'rel.
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# 20
06-17-2012, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DKnight1000

Wasn't the Negh'Var there from day one, and completely unique in BOFF layout until the Galaxy R was released? As for the Vor'Cha it's different enough from an Assault Cruiser if you want it to be, since it will work with DHCs. And when the Feds whine about the Gal R having the most useless BOFF layout of all time I like to remind them it's the same as the Negh'Var and suddenly it's only crippling to their ship.

Now as for PVP being completely useless, name a game where it's not. WoW has PVP World zones, but they are just a way of gating content. Want to do the Raid? Need to win at PVP. None of the PVP ques in WoW matter.

Make a Sector in the game a new one, Transwarp there. Whoever controls 60% of the Sector gets to do the special mission for bonus Dilitium and a rare item, it's even a Shuttle Mission, there's a solo 20hr cooldown one and team one. That Sector would be KDF Dominated, unlike Ker'Rat which is a PVE mission where Ganking is king this would be a proper capture and hold battle. (That gives out no Dilitithium) the Feds would most of the time be losing ground to us unless they could bring numbers into the fight like Ker'Rat. And the thing would be designed not to allow 20 of them to 5 of us.
As far as Heavy Battle Cruisers you are missing the point completely since it *IS* only a copy and paste of federation cruisers and not in design something that is Klingon... The only difference is they can load Dual and DHC's.

As for PvP WoW is a childrens game and all you do is press one button over and over again and is not PvP... It just seems your gaming is limited to a few games where as I have been playing online games for 20+ years to know this. You should try out **** and you will see a vastly different PvP type system as well as there are older games that are text based out there that still put games like WoW and STO's pvp systems to shame like for example you can still find Trade Wars 2002 tournaments out there. Basically what everyone has been asking for in a PvP system in STO is what **** is right now. The only difference is that you would be in space ships and not running on the ground all the time or flying in the air it would be mostly in ships since ground combat isn't really welcomed by most of the player base.
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