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# 1 Armitage, why VA not RA?
06-21-2012, 10:56 PM
So the Advanced Research Science Vessel Retrofit is a Rear Admiral version of a Commander Level Ship. The Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit is a RA version of a Cmdr Ship. All the other retrofit ships available at Vice admiral are retrofits of Captain or Rear admiral Ships.

Why is it then that the retrofit of the Heavy Escort (a Commander level ship) is a Vice admiral ship rather than a Rear admiral ship? I am a vice admiral, so I don't much care, but it seems odd to me.
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# 2
06-22-2012, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by raptor63549 View Post
So the Advanced Research Science Vessel Retrofit is a Rear Admiral version of a Commander Level Ship. The Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit is a RA version of a Cmdr Ship. All the other retrofit ships available at Vice admiral are retrofits of Captain or Rear admiral Ships.

Why is it then that the retrofit of the Heavy Escort (a Commander level ship) is a Vice admiral ship rather than a Rear admiral ship? I am a vice admiral, so I don't much care, but it seems odd to me.
possibly has something to do with the fact that the Armitage is busted enough as it is at Vice Admiral. It would be a downright broken in half ship if it were a Rear Admiral Wessel...
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# 3 reply
06-22-2012, 10:10 AM
maybe because those are like tier 5.1 i think the armitage would fit better in a 5.5 catagory because not only does it have a .1 console but it has hanger bay too.
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# 4
06-22-2012, 10:51 AM
Meh, I don't mind the decision really. The difference between RA and VA is a couple hours at best.
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# 5
06-22-2012, 10:56 AM
VA sells better ... simply put :biggrin:
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# 6
06-22-2012, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by raptor63549 View Post
So the Advanced Research Science Vessel Retrofit is a Rear Admiral version of a Commander Level Ship. The Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit is a RA version of a Cmdr Ship. All the other retrofit ships available at Vice admiral are retrofits of Captain or Rear admiral Ships.

Why is it then that the retrofit of the Heavy Escort (a Commander level ship) is a Vice admiral ship rather than a Rear admiral ship? I am a vice admiral, so I don't much care, but it seems odd to me.
This is a 5.5 ship. That is all.
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# 7
06-22-2012, 11:41 AM
Several reasons I can think of.

First, that the Armitage rounds out the 'Top of the Line' ship grouping that the Odyssey and Atrox formed, being the ships that Engineer and Science commanders could aspire to as the final goals in their careers. The Armitage gave Tactical commanders a ship of their own in this level of play. As such, making it a RA ship would make it seem anything but 'The Best Tactical Ship in the Fleet!'.

Second, that the Armitage's abilities put it at least on par with the other VA ships, and very possibly above all of them. Making it an RA ship would call into question why it was considered a lower-teir ship, as well as cause it to be compared to the other RA C-store ships instead of the VA ships it was built to fight alongside.

Third, that the game developers wanted to make sure this ship was only usable by characters who had finished leveling, and as a vessel only the very best-trained commanders in Starfleet would be trusted with.

Lastly, because the developers are trying to add end-game content for players who have already 'done it all', and so must make all new content stream into end-game levels to keep up with players' short attention span (takes months to make up a new end-game content, that players scream isn't enough when they finish it inside a week).

All that aside, the ship is already so capable that many consider it 'above VA', so I can imagine what people would be doing to the forums if this thing was rated 'Just RA'.

My opinion, of course.
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# 8
06-25-2012, 05:42 PM
Personally, I don't see the Atrox as a top of the line science ship for science captains to strive for. It is slower than an Odyssey, so the playstyle is much different. Myself, I am waiting for a science ship with a LtC. Tac slot that is otherwise like the Recon (love my luna, but would love to be able to deploy FAW III).

I do see that it is an end game ship, and I have one, and it is very powerful. it just seems to me that it is weird that Escort captains only have 2 ships at RA while Cruiser and Science captains have 3. I had hoped for some sort of parity (though that might be asking too much since they release more cruisers than escorts and science ships)
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# 9
06-25-2012, 09:04 PM
Main point: RA ships cost 5 bucks less in the C store than VA level ships >>
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# 10
06-25-2012, 09:34 PM
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Main point: RA ships cost 5 bucks less in the C store than VA level ships >>
TBH this is what I think the REAL reason Cryptic made the new ship VA. I doubt any more RA ships will be made since they can (over)charge more for VA ships.
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