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# 61
06-21-2012, 12:14 PM
Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
I can tell you what it boils down too. A lot of people, including Podcast UGC and Priority One, were saying that they were unimpressed and that they wanted paid ships to have a modest noticeable advantage over free ships or they wouldn't recommend buying them.

The P1 folks were asking for twice the hull increase that Geko is supplying.
Originally Posted by skyranger1414 View Post
The new Heavy Escort Carrier is already extremely survivable, that Lt. Comm engi slot with an EPTS:3 and a few Damage Control Doffs is simply unbelievably tough. That said 2k is not very significant, most deaths in STFs come from the invisible torps of doom that one shot just about everything, so that little extra won't help. And in PvP maybe the +1 turning will have an impact, the extra 2k health.... not so much (its the age of death by a thousand tractor beams after all!)

I think the upgrades are an appeasement made to people mistakenly thinking that just because its an expensive ship/s it should somehow be much, much better than anything else. Cryptic is not blameless in this, the Armitage should've cost 1600 CPs, not 2000. At least it didn't have 3 variants.

If there were any remaining questions about whether Pay-To-Win was in effect, this should resolve that question nicely.

It's not about what the ships should be, it's about what people paid for them (according to this).

Now, I would buy the argument that the Armitage should have more hull because it's bigger. I would also expect turn rate or inertia to suffer somehow, right along with that increase.

I expect the turn rate increase mentioned only applies to the AE and MVAE, which is a small point in the favor of balance... except that it does seem that KDF ships were not considered here.
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# 62
06-21-2012, 12:14 PM
troll gecko is troll!
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# 63
06-21-2012, 12:35 PM
If the +1 turning is only for the AE and MVAM... it pretty much makes the AE the best escort, doesn't it? Its got the best boff layout, the most sci consoles and will now only turn one less than the defiant and have an extra 1k hull. Fighters are cool to have but since you can't really exploit them without seriously gimping shields or weapons power or even allocate flight deck doffs to them you can't really base your damage around them.
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# 64
06-21-2012, 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by gypsyblade View Post
Curious is the standard Fleet Escort or Bug will get an update...
The Bug?


I own the bug, and I can tell you quite clearly that it is the best Escort in the game.

10% higher hull and a ludicrous base Turn rate plus the ability to run the Fleet Escort BOFF layout.

I don't think anyone is going to shed tears for the Bug.
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# 65
06-21-2012, 03:09 PM
i like the idea of all the ships having stats slightly off baseline, for escorts baseline being 30k hull and 15 turn rate. in isolated cases like this where its only the 2 best escorts getting adjustments, upward adjustments, its buffing ships that did not need to be buffed.

if anything the bug ship should come with a hull penalty for its amazing turn rate and station options. like 27k hitpoints and a shield mode of .83. in a game that values balance, that would be the case.

here's some stat adjustments i would do for a bunch of ships

odyssey- 44k hull, 1.15 mod, 7 turn, Inertia 20
galaxy- 42k hull, 1.05 mod, 8 turn, Inertia 30
sovereign- 37k hull, .98 mod, 11 turn, Inertia 45
star cruiser- 39k hull, 1.1 mod, 9 turn, Inertia 35
excelsior- 34k hull, .95 mod, 10 turn, Inertia 50

armatige- 33k hull, .9 mod, 13 turn, Inertia 55
MVAM- 32k hull, .98 mod, 14 turn, Inertia 60
defiant- 30k hull, .88 mod, 17 turn, Inertia 70
fleet- 31k hull, .9 mod, 15 turn, Inertia 65
bug- 27k hull, .83 mod, 20 turn, Inertia 75

intrepid- 24k hull, 1.3 mod, 12 turn, Inertia 50
Recon- 27k hull, 1.2 mod, 13 turn, Inertia 55
Deep Space 28k hull, 1.31 mod, 11 turn, 40
nebula- 38k hull, 1.1 mod, 9 turn, Inertia 35
D'Kyr- 30k hull, 1.2 mod, 10 turn, Inertia 40

might do kdf later
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