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# 11
06-21-2012, 05:20 AM
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And lets not forget that the dollar is not the worlds only (or even most important currency)
That's where you're wrong. The US Dollar is the most-traded currency in the world, by far. That makes it the most important. :wink:
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# 12
06-21-2012, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by eiledon View Post
if this happens expect a hike in the prices in the cstore of a comparable percentage.

Seconded.

If they kept the same C-Point totals for certain items after a 100 = 100 conversion, here's what you'd see:


2 new Character slots: 500 C-Points = $6.25 now, would be $5 with only a 100=100 conversion.

Sau Paulo Class: 1,200 C-Points = $15 now, would be $12 after.

Armitage: 2,000 C-Points = $25 now, would be $20 after.

Odyssey bundle: 4,000 C-Points = $50 now, would be $40 after.



I don't expect PWE to make a move that loses money for STO. So I'd expect the following C-Point hikes if they keep the dollar amounts of the C-Store items the same:


2 new Character slots: Was 500 C-Points, now 625 C-Points (Still $6.25, though)

Sau Paulo Class: Was 1,200 C-Points, now 1,500 C-Points. (Still $15, though)

Armitage: Was 2,000 C-Points, now would be 2,500 C-Points. (Still $25, though)

Odyssey bundle: Was 4,000 C-Points, now would be 5,000 C-Points. (Still $50, though)



This would hurt people who are trying to truly be F2P because it would take more Dilithium to get the same amount of money out of their C-Points. But then again, Cryptic and PWE never intended to make this a totally F2P game. So this move would make more sense than just making the easy 100=100 conversion.


If I were Cryptic and I were forced into the PWE system (100 Zen = 100 game store currency), I'd raise C-point prices too so that I could at least keep the same amount of revenue coming in after the conversion.
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# 13
06-21-2012, 07:15 AM
additionally other pwe games do not adhere to the $1 = 100 in game store points/currency. The poor Forsaken worlders get 40 Eyrda Leaves for their 100 zen. And that was a game developed by PWE. Go Figure.

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# 14
06-21-2012, 07:28 AM
I don't blame the Zen, I blame the C-points.

This entire time it has been $1 = 80 c-points. Cryptic started this stupid conversion rate. 500 c-points for $6.25? .. what?!.. Moronic

100 Zen = $1.. Seems PWE had it fine the whole time.

Yes yes I am not too thrilled by all the changes either, but by USD standards it isn't PWE's fault.
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# 15
06-21-2012, 07:32 AM
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What is your nation of origin? Would be it fair to bash it and damn its flaws based solely on what you've said? I've never felt entitled for being American, I didn't have an issue with the conversion. You've obviously got some deep seeded issues against my nation. So please do tell me where your from, so we can balance this out.....
He said he was from North America lol
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# 16
06-21-2012, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by vinru821 View Post
I don't blame the Zen, I blame the C-points.

This entire time it has been $1 = 80 c-points. Cryptic started this stupid conversion rate. 500 c-points for $6.25? .. what?!.. Moronic

100 Zen = $1.. Seems PWE had it fine the whole time.

Yes yes I am not too thrilled by all the changes either, but by USD standards it isn't PWE's fault.
To be fair to Cryptic, Turbine uses a similar conversion $ to points conversion rate. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned Microsoft does the same.
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# 17
06-21-2012, 07:45 AM
If dollars were the only money in the world, I'd agree the conversion rate was stupid. CP prices have to be made to synch up with not only the dollar, but Euros, Stirling, and many more, most of which I'm not sure about since some people dodged the Euro bullet, and many didn't. Then after this, you have to take into account whatever tax exists in various countries. Rounding a price to take all of the different currency exchange rates and taxes is not as simple as it probably sounds to those having trouble with simple arithmetic.

The point is, the current prices represent a middle ground with easy conversion rates for all currencies as far as I know. Changing it to match the dollar one for one would likely make other rates more complicated to calibrate for sensible amounts. For example, just as $1 buys 80CP, ?0.8 buys 100CP.

Another thing to bear in mind is by selling amounts that differ from prices, you end up having to buy slightly more than you need, which often either goes to waste, or leads to impulse buying more just to "round up" for something else.

I haven't had a look to see how the Zen thing affects me in the UK yet, but I suspect I've purchased my last from STO.
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# 18
06-21-2012, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by entnx01 View Post
If I were Cryptic and I were forced into the PWE system (100 Zen = 100 game store currency), I'd raise C-point prices too so that I could at least keep the same amount of revenue coming in after the conversion.
I have to disagree, considering the general unhappiness that has started to boil up (apparently)...that would just cause players to NOT use the C-store at all. i/m/h/o
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# 19
06-21-2012, 08:02 AM
so epic XD this thread made my day

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# 20
06-21-2012, 08:13 AM
there is a negative to buying zen from the uk in that we pay tax on the purchase - the actual rate of tax seems to somewhere around 14% which is less than uk VAT of 20%, but may be an averaged to cover the major euro zones.

The last time i bought zen at the beginning of June I got the 5000 zen bundle (which gave me 300 extra zen and so for STO would give me 4240 c points for my cash)

45 Euros = 5000 + 300 zen
45 Euros = GBP 36.35 (0.8777 x EURO)
45 Euros = $56.77 (1.26156 x EURO) - this does not equal $50 obviously.

Now converting sterling direct to dollars gets a similar result:

GBP 36.35 = $56.97 (1.56726 x GBP) - A difference here of 20 cents I can live with.

A direct conversion of USD price to sterling gives the following:

$50 = GBP 31.91 (0.638172 x USD)

An overall difference of GBP 4.44 from the actual charged price.

GBP 4.44 is approximately 14% of GBP 31.91


edit: just checked and EU law only requires that the standard VAT rate must be at least 15% and the reduced rate at least 5% so my roundings may have given me the 14% rather than 15%

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