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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 51
06-22-2012, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by woghd View Post
So why try, right?

Apparently that's the PWE business model as well! They have -0- respect for star trek or it's fans. They just want our money, and they will go away when that money stops coming in.

Now you know what to do!
Why not try? Licensed games are notorious for their quality, as are F2P MMOs. So indeed, Cryptic and PWE have ever the odds stacked against them.

But think about it. This is Star Trek. A franchise that has among the most dedicated and obsessed fans in the entirety of nerd-dom. We saved it TWICE. We WANT to see this game succeed. We will help to see this game succeed. Someone in this very thread mentioned that Trekkies/Trekkers (Glad to see so many remember the difference) are very creative people. He's right. We are. We would use that to help this game become the best it can be. And this game could be something very good.

The only thing PWE needs to do is let us do that. Changing the forums like this is not a good way to do that.

Holding priority polls, ship/costume design contests, integrating foundry missions into the standard game, player created STF's, PvP & PvE maps, adding more customization items, and better social zones are good ways to do that.

PWE could very easily have a very successful IP in a genera that is not known for it, simply because we want it to be that way.

My question to PWE, is are you going to help us.... help you?
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Captain
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# 52
06-22-2012, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by centersolace View Post

PWE could very easily have a very successful IP in a genera that is not known for it, simply because we want it to be that way.

My question to PWE, is are you going to help us.... help you?
Again, the problem here is the pronoun 'we.'

There were threads criticizing the quality of the content and suggesting the Foundry does better. So they start promoting the foundry and there are a bunch of posts complaining that PWE is abdicating responsibility and making the players do all the creation work.

And then you have the faction that hates anything new or different, and wants the Connie to be equal to the best ships in the game.

And the faction that hates the thought not just of Trek being anything other than morality plays but also of anything that they see as distracting from that in any way.

And the faction which is pretty much completely the opposite, who love the tech of trek and just want to fly the ships.

And of course everyone in between.

The trick, of course, and challenge to Cryptic/PWE is to somehow provide for the various factions and convince them to quit getting upset at those who disagree with them as to 'what Trek is.'

In a sad way, this whole exercise is a massive Trek episode about bringing disparate interests together. It is sad because of the large numbers of people continuing to claim that only their vision is the correct one.
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# 53
06-22-2012, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by eulifdavis View Post
No one said it would actually exist, primarily because it won't. That's one of the few lines that PWE/Cryptic seem to know is best not to cross. T2, T3, T4, and T5 (and T6, T7, etc. ) connie just don't belong, and shouldn't ever exist.
Fortunately Cryptic is no longer in control and we should see lot's of these wonderful ideas that have been previously squashed by catering to overloud forum opinions from immersion zealots.

PWE doesn't appear to cater to tantrums and I salute them for that.

Like the Federation Carriers I was repeatedly abused about.
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# 54
06-23-2012, 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by thlaylierah View Post
PWE doesn't appear to cater to tantrums and I salute them for that.
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This^ People don't realize that forums make up a very small percentage of the game population.

People need to understand PWE is a business with bills and people to pay, this game can't move forward without cash, and if this game fails don't expect another Star Trek one to just pop into place. There is a reason they focus on c-store fed ships, duty rewards and lock boxes, they obviously generate a good bit of revenue that goes back into the game to pay for season 6 and 7. People's mindset of PWE rolling naked in beds of cash laughing at the players is stupidly unfounded.
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Ensign
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# 55
06-23-2012, 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by thlaylierah View Post
Fortunately Cryptic is no longer in control and we should see lot's of these wonderful ideas that have been previously squashed by catering to overloud forum opinions from immersion zealots.

PWE doesn't appear to cater to tantrums and I salute them for that.

Like the Federation Carriers I was repeatedly abused about.
Thing is it does not matter if Cryptic is in control or PWE.

CBS still holds the ownership and license to Star Trek and still has the final say of yes or no in terms of what can and cannot be added in to the game.

Just about anything Cryptic or PWE want to add to the game has to go through CBS for approval first.
Captain
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# 56
06-23-2012, 09:16 AM
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Thing is it does not matter if Cryptic is in control or PWE.

CBS still holds the ownership and license to Star Trek and still has the final say of yes or no in terms of what can and cannot be added in to the game.

Just about anything Cryptic or PWE want to add to the game has to go through CBS for approval first.
While this is true it is unclear how true it really is. ST: V and Nemesis both happened, despite corporate 'quality control.'

Star Trek books continue to be released with varying degrees of quality and with the understanding that they are not canon. Star Fleet Battles seems to continue to truck along in the background with a very divergent universe.

It really comes down to how well they can negotiate with CBS and how much CBS cares. The former might have changed with PWE now being in control. New owners, potentially new marketing department. The latter could change at any time. It is not like networks are known for their constancy.

Personally I think the biggest obstacle would be for the player base to accept STO as non-canon, and for there to be less resistance to anything truly new (carriers being the most recent 'controversial' example).

Also, for the 'purists' to accept more action in their exploration and for the gamers to accept more dialogue in their action.
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# 57
06-23-2012, 09:27 AM
Hmm, in point number one the op makes a generalization that all trekkies hate Wesley, then in point two he says never lump all trekkies together.....:tongue:

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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 145
# 58
06-23-2012, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by centersolace View Post
Why not try? Licensed games are notorious for their quality, as are F2P MMOs. So indeed, Cryptic and PWE have ever the odds stacked against them.

But think about it. This is Star Trek. A franchise that has among the most dedicated and obsessed fans in the entirety of nerd-dom. We saved it TWICE. We WANT to see this game succeed. We will help to see this game succeed. Someone in this very thread mentioned that Trekkies/Trekkers (Glad to see so many remember the difference) are very creative people. He's right. We are. We would use that to help this game become the best it can be. And this game could be something very good.

The only thing PWE needs to do is let us do that. Changing the forums like this is not a good way to do that.

Holding priority polls, ship/costume design contests, integrating foundry missions into the standard game, player created STF's, PvP & PvE maps, adding more customization items, and better social zones are good ways to do that.

PWE could very easily have a very successful IP in a genera that is not known for it, simply because we want it to be that way.

My question to PWE, is are you going to help us.... help you?

There have been three Foundry Challenges. of those three I have a first and second place finish. I'm in a position to say that you couldn't be more right, more correct. If PWE would back off and let us Trek Fans do what we do, they would make millions.

Instead, we see complaint threads being moved off the main board.

Nice.
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Captain
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# 59
06-23-2012, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by woghd View Post
There have been three Foundry Challenges. of those three I have a first and second place finish. I'm in a position to say that you couldn't be more right, more correct. If PWE would back off and let us Trek Fans do what we do, they would make millions.

Instead, we see complaint threads being moved off the main board.

Nice.
There are daily spotlights on Foundry missions now.. how are they not 'backing off?'

And how about the complaint threads complaining that Foundry missions don't advance 'the official story?' If they 'back off' wouldn't that be more so rather than less? Since there would be no coordination as to what is 'the story?'

And what of players who just love the tech of trek and want to fly ships, without all the pretense that occasionally comes from writers?

How do they 'make millions' from your writing, especially if Foundry missions emphasize story over combat, given that right now, ships are the main source of revenue (via direct c store purchase or by indirect lockbox / doff pack purchase)?

If 'real trek' is mostly dialogue, why would anyone spend more than a couple dollars for a new ship?
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# 60
06-24-2012, 06:35 PM
Wil Wheaton was given a pretty difficult role with westley, love the actor not the character :3

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