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# 161
04-03-2013, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by toiva View Post
Wow, plenty new ships in the comparator. You're fast, Patarmarkan.
I want to complete it before I have to add Romulans


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Originally Posted by toiva View Post
1) The Fleet Negh'var should also have the "dual cannons stamp".

2) The Fleet Norgh should have Battle cloak, not merely a regular cloak.

3) The Scourge retrofit should only have 9 consoles, since it's not the Fleet version. I'd guess it only has 2 sci console slots, but being not in game, I can't say for sure. (I'll update the wiki when i find out.) EDIT: Yes, the (non fleet) Scourge retrofit has 2 sci console slots. Updated the wiki.

4) I know it's kinda evident since they are in the carrier category, but it'd be nice if you added "1 hangar bay" to the Orion Fligh deck cruisers.

5) I'm afraid the Kar'fi, while the most manoeuvrable (2 hangar bay) carrier, can't mount cannons (Dual, dual heavy). I can test this to be entirely sure. EDIT 2: Ah, no. My bad. The Kar'Fi apparently can equip dual and dual heavy cannons. Please disregard this point.
1) Hallmarked.
2) Indeed.
3) Scrapped a console...
4) Added the evident to the FDCs
5) ignored.

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Lieutenant
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# 162
04-03-2013, 02:39 AM
I'm close to the finish line.

I still need some screenshots though:

Tholian Recluse Carrier
Tholian Shuttle
Ferengi Shuttle
Temporal Science Vessel
Temporal Destroyer
Temporal Shuttle
Jem'Hadar Escort Carrier

The following I will take myself:

Cardassian Galor
Ferengi Marauder
Tuffli Class Freighter

Thats it... (or did I miss any ship?)

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Last edited by patarmarkan; 04-03-2013 at 02:56 AM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 163
04-03-2013, 11:03 AM
1) Sorry to bother you again with the Scourge retrofits, unfortunately, you "scrapped a console" on the wrong Scourge. Now the Fleet version shows 9 console slots while the non-fleet retrofit still has the 10 slots.

2) Just found out that the B'rel retrofit was incorrectly stating to have 21 000 hull on the wiki. I've updated it with the after-season 6 value of 22 500. Please do the same in the comparator.

3) And there was apparently a typo on the wiki for Qin heavy raptor's hull points: it's correctly 33 000, same as the mirror Qin, not the 33 300 you've also put in the comparator.

4) Not sure if its merely a problem on my side, but the "Corsair_Flight-Deck_Cruiser.jpg" keeps showing me the retrofit variant, meaning the retrofit is now in there twice while the C-Store Tier 4 Corsair is currently missing.

5) On FED side, you forgot to add the Support cruiser and the Support cruiser retrofit, AKA Ambassadors, only the Fleet one from starfish's chart is in the comparator right now.

EDIT: 6) Just a smallish mistake on the Fleet Kamarag, it should have 3 device slots, like all Kamarags (and I think battlecruisers in general).

Sorry for not catching 2) and 3) sooner.

Btw, great you added the "Dual cannons" stamp on FED ships as well.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix: Bring in the Allegiance class
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia: Design that long overdue Tier 5 C-Store Raptor
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var: Give us Asylums for Romulans

Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!

Last edited by toiva; 04-03-2013 at 12:04 PM.
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# 164
04-03-2013, 11:11 AM
I am not entirely happy at what has happened here. Patarmarkan, I agreed to allow you to use my original chart as I was under the impression you would be creating a program which allowed the comparison of existing charts, initially mine and Spidermitches.

What you have done instead, is take my design to re-create ships which Spidermitch has already made.

Spidermitch has also given you permission to use his own charts, but instead of using his chartss you have just recreated the other ships yourself using my design, and are not using his charts at all now. Furthermore, you are continuing to use Spidermitches stickied thread for seemingly no good reason. To add insult to injury you have credited him on the frontpage of your comparator, yet consigned a credit to myself (whose chart and layout you actually have used) behind another link!

I am obviously not happy about this situation at all.

You appear to be more than capable of creating your own designs, so I am confused as to why you have taken mine. You have now created so many of your own frames, why didn't you just come up with one of your own to begin with. I would 'encourage' you to create a layout of your own (as I suspect it would be very good) and create your own thread to accompany it.

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# 165
04-03-2013, 12:01 PM
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I am not entirely happy at what has happened here. Patarmarkan, I agreed to allow you to use my original chart as I was under the impression you would be creating a program which allowed the comparison of existing charts, initially mine and Spidermitches.
I understand I may not be welcome to intrude in this, but from the beginning, Patarmarkan's been mentioning using your "graphics" (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=8475851&postcount=102) and use it on all ships.

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Spidermitch has also given you permission to use his own charts, but instead of using his chartss you have just recreated the other ships yourself using my design, and are not using his charts at all now. Furthermore, you are continuing to use Spidermitches stickied thread for seemingly no good reason.
I see a couple reasons for that: Several people have used this thread to at least talk about possibly somehow continuing Spidermitch's work. Patarmarkan is in my opinion the closest to Spidermitch's charts right now in that he's trying to "collect" all ships there are. Also, I guess people continuing to respond to Patarmarkan in this thread made it all natural to keep to this thread.

Of course, I see no reason for Patarmarkan to not start his own thread about the comparator. But that's his decision. As is probably Spidermitch's decision to ask that the comparator discussion be moved elsewhere.

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To add insult to injury you have credited him on the frontpage of your comparator, yet consigned a credit to myself (whose chart and layout you actually have used) behind another link!
The credits are all behind the link. What you consider a credit to Spidermitch is merely a link to the previous closest "incarnation" of the ship comparator.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix: Bring in the Allegiance class
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia: Design that long overdue Tier 5 C-Store Raptor
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var: Give us Asylums for Romulans

Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Lieutenant
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# 166
04-04-2013, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by starfish1701 View Post
I am not entirely happy at what has happened here. Patarmarkan, I agreed to allow you to use my original chart as I was under the impression you would be creating a program which allowed the comparison of existing charts, initially mine and Spidermitches.

What you have done instead, is take my design to re-create ships which Spidermitch has already made.

Spidermitch has also given you permission to use his own charts, but instead of using his chartss you have just recreated the other ships yourself using my design, and are not using his charts at all now. Furthermore, you are continuing to use Spidermitches stickied thread for seemingly no good reason. To add insult to injury you have credited him on the frontpage of your comparator, yet consigned a credit to myself (whose chart and layout you actually have used) behind another link!

I am obviously not happy about this situation at all.

You appear to be more than capable of creating your own designs, so I am confused as to why you have taken mine. You have now created so many of your own frames, why didn't you just come up with one of your own to begin with. I would 'encourage' you to create a layout of your own (as I suspect it would be very good) and create your own thread to accompany it.
Dear starfish1701,

I am really sorry, that you got a wrong impression of what my intension was.
Initially I wrote in my private message to you:
"Since I want to compare ships directly, I just wrote a php script to use it on my webserver.
It will allow you to compare two ships at a time."
I thought it would make it clear - maybe I was wrong, but you answered this way:
"Yes, by all means go ahead. Obviously I don't own the chart or its contents, I just assembled it."
So I thought everything was clear and shiny.

When I started, the plan was indeed to use parts of spidermitch's charts and I did
but I learned that the format did not fit to your charts and the informations partially
were out-dated.
I wanted to create a consistent appearance to make it easy to compare the ship's stats.

Since I really liked (and like) the way you assembled the information and considered it
logical (as a very known vulcan would state) I used that shape when I started to add
more ships. In fact, there are not many ways to assemble it in a way all informations
can be seen at a single glance.
I did not want to again invent the wheel from scratch while a really good one already
existed and I wanted to safe time, since a work like that easily can get a fulltime job.

The reason I use this thread is, that my work is closely related to spidermitch's work.
I wanted to do this in the very moment I used his charts for the first time.
The comperator is kind of an evolution/addition to the charts from both of you.
So I wanted to use this thread until this evolution was finished which was by
about now, since only a hand full of special ships are missing.

The reason spidermitch's name appeared on the frontpage was the fact,
that his website and therefore his charts were offline and I hosted them.
Spidermitch now has republished his work and I already removed the charts from the
main site and added a link to him into the hall of fame as well.

To create a design of my own at this point will imply to re-create the whole thing.
It is kind of logical as well to use in-game graphics for the layout as well so all I would
do is to change the arrangement - I consider this as pointless and again I would have to
touch every single ship.
At this point it feels kind of unfair that you didn't complain more early.
Of course you can revoke your permission to use your layout, but I rather will take the
whole thing offline and use my work for my own purposes only before doing it all over again.

This situation makes me sad, since I really like the way it is now.
So what do you want me to do?
For now I will take a pause updating the app until I get your answer.

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Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 399
# 167
04-04-2013, 09:25 AM
I say just give credit on the front page to anyone whose work you used in any way, shape, or form and you'd be good. Love the website and will start using it regularly.
Lieutenant
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Posts: 80
# 168
04-11-2013, 07:23 AM
One week has passed since starfish1701's complaint and my answer to it.
Since he still didn't sent a reply to that I decided to continue my work and implement the suggestion of entnx01:

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Originally Posted by entnx01 View Post
I say just give credit on the front page to anyone whose work you used in any way, shape, or form and you'd be good. Love the website and will start using it regularly.
So I removed the Hall of Fame, added its contents to the main page and continued to correct the flaws toiva found.
I hope I catched all bugs now.
Additional I added D'Kora, Galor and Tuffli with a new color scheme for x-faction ships.

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Captain
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# 169
04-11-2013, 09:24 AM
Thanks for continuing, patarmarkan. Nice golden scheme, thankfully a Cardassian faction isn't anywhene near coming yet.

Just a suggestion: Maybe you could add to the D'Kora description that it also has a trader, dabo, exchange, mail and bank aboard.

I already feel stupid with this, but will you add the ambassadors or am I just unable to find them?

And lastly, you've given the B'Rel retrofit 25 000 hull, not the correct 22 500 hull.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix: Bring in the Allegiance class
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia: Design that long overdue Tier 5 C-Store Raptor
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var: Give us Asylums for Romulans

Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Lieutenant
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Posts: 80
# 170
04-12-2013, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by toiva View Post
Just a suggestion: Maybe you could add to the D'Kora description that it also has a trader, dabo, exchange, mail and bank aboard.
Suggestion accepted
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Originally Posted by toiva View Post
I already feel stupid with this, but will you add the ambassadors or am I just unable to find them?
Look for it now
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And lastly, you've given the B'Rel retrofit 25 000 hull, not the correct 22 500 hull.
Fixed.

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