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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 11
07-03-2012, 05:22 PM
The problem as I see it is that everyone else on God's green Earth is getting the "Fleet Treatment" and the Guramba is getting a middle-finger...

Whether or not the Guramba is a great ship now, which it is, is irrelevant... Many other great ships are getting the Fleet revamp, and to single one out because it's already good is frankly logically vacant.


-=Devil's Advocate=- Said in hyperbole to drive home the point that it's ridiculous

Let's just not make Fleet-revamps of MVAM, Tactical, or Fleet escorts then... They are already very good, if not exceptional in their own way(s), so why do they need to be even better?

-=Devil's Advocate=-




I -LOVE- my misc. escorts on my Federation admirals, of which I have THREE, and many various setups of Escorts of every type... I want to see Fleet versions of them in Season 6, but I also don't want to see a deserving ship get screwed over solely because it's good... If that's the criteria then -=NO=- ship should be getting a Fleet upgrade version. That's akin to punishing a player with less loot/money/advancement simply because he doesn't suck at the game... Punishing or simply ignoring the improvement of one ship based solely on it being good is not a sufficient reason.



What is the solution?
What should be done to the Guramba to make a Fleet version of it?

I honestly don't know... I'm not one to ask for imbalance, and I don't know if it should get another console (not a tac, obviously... Perhaps a sci... Don't think it needs an eng either)...


Frankly I'd prefer being able to have some higher rank BoFF's skills, maybe on the Engineer slots.




There are numerous things that could be done to make a Fleet Guramba perfectly in balance with the future Fleet edition ships without making it super-powerful... But telling everyone who's got a Guramba "you don't get any improvement because everyone else, who was already good, should be even better while you are left where you are" falls awfully flat...

Everyone else gets cake, you only get to watch them eat it because you've had cake before...


Even keeping the identical stats, layout, and so forth, but tinkering with innate ship bonuses or something of the like, perhaps bonuses for certain weapon types...


There are innumerable solutions to be found to what is not a problem to begin with, and for it to be made into a problem by Cryptic/PWE is disingenuous and mildly insulting. The players giving their endorsement to ignoring the ship solely because it's a good ship make one wonder of their own motivations...
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# 12
07-03-2012, 07:07 PM
I don't know if it's been said but I've been under the impression to get a Fleet Variant of a C-Store ship you needed to own said C-Store ship already.

Meaning only a person who owns the Garumba can get a Fleet Garumba if it existed. Or can somebody confirm all Fleet ships are freebies.
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Lt. Commander
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# 13
07-04-2012, 02:57 AM
Fleet Scourge may be a case of the same then.

Regarding Fleet Garumba or any other C-store ship, why not make the fleet versions, and gate them to owners of the ship the same way they did with Spiral Wave Disruptors and the Galor?
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# 14
07-04-2012, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ebeneezergoode View Post
Fleet Scourge may be a case of the same then.

Regarding Fleet Garumba or any other C-store ship, why not make the fleet versions, and gate them to owners of the ship the same way they did with Spiral Wave Disruptors and the Galor?
yes and include the lockbox ships while you are at it.
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# 15
07-04-2012, 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bawj4ws View Post
yes and include the lockbox ships while you are at it.
To be honest, I think they would need only a small nudge to be at "fleet" standard, I'd rather like a fourth tactical console on the Galor though.
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# 16
07-04-2012, 09:40 PM
I just find it depressing that Ive supported the game, Bought plenty from the C-Store.
And outta the 8 ships I bought, only one of those is getting a "Fleet" version. The Defiant.
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# 17
07-05-2012, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by synthiasuicide View Post
I just find it depressing that Ive supported the game, Bought plenty from the C-Store.
And outta the 8 ships I bought, only one of those is getting a "Fleet" version. The Defiant.
While I don't like it, I completely expected it...

Cryptic/PWE are in it for nothing but squeezing as much money out of the player-base before the game goes belly-up, and the best way for them to get more money is to perpetually pander to the largest population.


I've said for the longest time that they should just save time, and "write into the story" a fully fledged alliance between the Federation and the KDF. They clearly aren't at war anymore, any sector-space engagements can be written off as rogue-factions, pirates, and the like. Meanwhile both sides will have unfettered access to the other...

One faction, as disgusting as it may seem to KDF players, would greatly improve the game for both of the current factions. More ships, the devs would no longer be able to give the KDF the middle finger (by default) since they'd automatically get in on what everyone else gets, and it plays in well to the threats encountered so far... Borg, Iconians, Species 8472 (I don't like "Undine"), and even some Dominion left-overs all causing trouble for the galaxy and the best way to counter them is a full alliance like the Allied powers in WW2.

Britain and Russia had tanks and materials of their own, but were all too eager to use whatever else could be provided by their allies because the need was great. That's what allies are for, to reinforce and even augment your own forces...



Better yet, by unifying the factions, and just letting players PLAY THE GAME as whatever they like and use whatever they like, they could -potentially- introduce other factions/races (and their ships) like Cardassians, Breen, Hirogen, and ROMULANS, without the need for an entirely separate faction... They will be part of the larger alliance but still independent and BOTH sides will already have access to the ships and technology. They won't be faction specific, so no issues with CBS since the Jem'ship, Galor and D'Kora have already passed that hurtle on the same grounds.



Best of all, Cryptic/PWE won't be able to ignore the smaller population anymore since they will be part of the one larger population.

Last edited by sesshoseki7; 07-05-2012 at 10:13 AM.
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# 18
07-06-2012, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sesshoseki7 View Post
The problem as I see it is that everyone else on God's green Earth is getting the "Fleet Treatment" and the Guramba is getting a middle-finger...
Not everything is, the Galaxy-X isn't getting a fleet version for the same reason, I enjoy carriers and so far from what I can tell, every ship capable that uses fighters that I bought from the C-store short of the flight deck carrier isn't getting a *fleet* treatment.

The Kar'fi I could live without, great ships but I don't like the battle carp shape. But I like me shield eating Atrox and my Escort carrier Armitage! I would love to see them both get fleet treatments as well! Not to mention the Gorn ships aren't getting a fleet pass.

The Varanus is a awesome looking ship and without it that leaves the Klingon's without a true science vessel at the fleet level. If any of the gorn vessels get a treatment it should be the Varanus since its the only ship with a ship specific console or in the least it should be changed so it can work on any ship.
Career Officer
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# 19
07-06-2012, 01:41 AM
I bet the players who spent 4k C-Store points for those Fed / KDF ship packs feel just as bad...
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# 20
07-06-2012, 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sesshoseki7 View Post
While I don't like it, I completely expected it...

Cryptic/PWE are in it for nothing but squeezing as much money out of the player-base before the game goes belly-up, and the best way for them to get more money is to perpetually pander to the largest population.


I've said for the longest time that they should just save time, and "write into the story" a fully fledged alliance between the Federation and the KDF. They clearly aren't at war anymore, any sector-space engagements can be written off as rogue-factions, pirates, and the like. Meanwhile both sides will have unfettered access to the other...

One faction, as disgusting as it may seem to KDF players, would greatly improve the game for both of the current factions. More ships, the devs would no longer be able to give the KDF the middle finger (by default) since they'd automatically get in on what everyone else gets, and it plays in well to the threats encountered so far... Borg, Iconians, Species 8472 (I don't like "Undine"), and even some Dominion left-overs all causing trouble for the galaxy and the best way to counter them is a full alliance like the Allied powers in WW2.

Britain and Russia had tanks and materials of their own, but were all too eager to use whatever else could be provided by their allies because the need was great. That's what allies are for, to reinforce and even augment your own forces...



Better yet, by unifying the factions, and just letting players PLAY THE GAME as whatever they like and use whatever they like, they could -potentially- introduce other factions/races (and their ships) like Cardassians, Breen, Hirogen, and ROMULANS, without the need for an entirely separate faction... They will be part of the larger alliance but still independent and BOTH sides will already have access to the ships and technology. They won't be faction specific, so no issues with CBS since the Jem'ship, Galor and D'Kora have already passed that hurtle on the same grounds.



Best of all, Cryptic/PWE won't be able to ignore the smaller population anymore since they will be part of the one larger population.
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