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# 41
07-01-2012, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by lianthelia View Post
The voquv is free, get more healing for your buck and you can keep the lt cmdr tac boff without losing any healing, not to mention you can have fighters which more than make up for a couple weapon slots or take healing pets.
You can maybe use the Voquv to heal but a Bortas specced for will heal alot more. You can combine eng and sci high end skills as e.g. for shield reststance and heal ExtS.III + TTS.III, or Aux2SIF.III + HE.III for hull resistance and heals. Lt. Cmd. Universal for teh win.
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# 42
07-01-2012, 10:12 AM
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Before everyone gets upset you should at least listen to the podcast. The OP is misquoting CaptainGeko, and deliberately mischaracterizing his statement. And you all fell for it, because you didn't listen to the podcast.

Starting at 1:07:54 (link), here's what CaptainGeko actually said:


"To be honest we don't sell that many Klingon ships.

So we just don't and a... so its... we love to make them. The artists I think like to make them more than Fed ships cause they can be a lot more creative with them, but what the Odyssey sold in comparison to the Bortas was an order of magnitude different.

The Odyssey took a lot more work... (snip) [because of the contest] (snip) ...but even beside that I mean the amount of development time that it takes to make one ship is a lot and so if they don't sell it's really difficult to justify.

So they'll still keep getting them, but in general you're gonna see more come out for the Fed than you are gonna see for the Klingon. But I think that all of the different fleet ships coming out are going to really help. You're not going to get new skins, or new models, but a lot of new options. A lot of new bridge officer seating options.

They're gonna get the new D-7, right. The K'Tinga and D-7 versions they'll have access to. So and that has a complete different seating that the Vor'cha. So they're gonna get a lot of new options."


While there's plenty of things about the Empire to be upset about, let's not waste our time getting upset about things that weren't actually said. And let's not allow ourselves to be successfully baited by Federation trolls.
Levi3 is troll and this thread is more proof of it. Al made no claim in iether the first half or seond that the KDF is dead and to be left that way.
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# 43
07-01-2012, 11:20 AM
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Levi3 is troll and this thread is more proof of it. Al made no claim in iether the first half or seond that the KDF is dead and to be left that way.
Your absolutely right Roach - I should let sleeping dogs lie - in their delusions

I am sorry for throwing reality out there

Only time will tell - but my point stands - No new KDF ships for the forseeable future is a fact

Do you just hang around hear and complain? I spent the last hour in Karvat in my heavy Bop tangling with the "Feds"

But of course I am a Fed troll so I must be a double agent

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# 44
07-01-2012, 11:55 AM
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you can tell me STO is failing, like so many other angry and disgruntled players over the last 2 years, and im sure you or someone else will tell me is failing in another 2 years. go play the game sometime and take a calm look around and you will see people having fun. you wont see the sky is falling or the game is dying.

less than 20% of people play the klingons (and even fewer play them only) yet take an objective look at how much they have been developed from what they were. all FE are cross faction. there have been 21 c-store ships for klingons compared to 29 fed. there have been 9 unique klingon missions and 3 patrols compared to 3 fed missions, 3 remastered and 8 minor diplomatic missions.

every new feature from the doff system, to the foundry to starbases are designed for cross faction.

there have been new social zones in qo'nos and the academy. the gorn got updates. the orions, and nausicaans got unique costume outfits. they can now use scanners, and crafting and use the whole galaxy and access to the stf's. there have been fleet actions opened up and defend sector missions and star clusters. they had none of this at launch and cryptic had no obligation to add or fix any of it.

they have lagged behind in the costume department and that is a little sad, although part of the problem is that klingons have more complicated character models than feds. fed costumes are an easy way to make a lot of money to keep the game going. yet when they do get costumes they are awesome. in fact just about everything that gets added for klingons is visually amazing. there is no lack of effort when making klingon stuff. the designers have said they even like making klingon stuff more, but the numbers need to start paying off and every indication is that the numbers dont change. will adding more ships or missions change that? so far evidence suggests that answer is no.

they are doing their best to improve the klingon faction from its start position of next to nothing without losing their massive fed playerbase. they took their pvp only faction and they made it playable for everyone and it will only get better as going forward will continue to be cross faction.

they did all of this despite the fact that only a tiny percentage of loyal players play the faction. they have pumped far more resources into that the numbers would suggest yet players like you are still not happy. you want a full klingon faction. fine but well you are not getting it. none of us are. there is no clambering from the masses to come over and play either. they are not interested. klingons will always be a mini faction. if they ever add romulans they will be an even smaller faction.

if anything they should never have included the faction at launch, and they nearly did not. they had a deadline to hit from the contract with CBS that they took over and they very nearly left them out. they wanted them in to try and improve them, knowing that if they left them out there was a very real chance they would never get back in.

now, no matter how much they realistically add despite the numbers against them, they get slated for it.
Sorry but your tottally clueless.

Let em tell you why for me klinks are not as well loved as feds:

1. From a background PoV there's nothing to attract me to them. They've been pushed back into their TOS era warmongering counqurers mode instead of continuing forward with their honourable warriors looking to fight alongisde their great allies the federation. As a serious treky that puts me off them massivlly becuase there's nothing that appeals to traditinal trekies. They also don't exactly appeal to a lot of other types as they really have no redeeming features whatsoever background wise.

2. There's a complete death of PVE content. There simply isn't enough missions to get more than a couple of levels straight out of the tutorioul for klinks. They your stuck banging your head on a wall doing dailies if you don't want to PVP, (i.e. majority of the playerbase). In adittion a good chunk of what is avalibile is stuff you've doubltess run several times for the fed side. It's a long boring as hell slog.

3. There's very littile there thats unique. Leveling a Kling is thus slow and boring. You get diffrent shiops, you get toons with a diffrent apperance. And thats about it. Thats all klinks actually have that feds don't.


Whats really needed is some kind of "partial peace treaty" in universe, and then combined the two factions. Full integration, Klnks start at level one but can do fed or klink side missions and vice versa, (wel the fed war and klink war arcs would probably be exclusive and you'd get to see the treaty at the end which then opens p the cross faction stuff for your toon). Klink side becomes then about the unique ships, dailies, and characters. Not about the content you run with them. With a full rnage of PVE content and klinks not quite having the same bad guy image the limited unique elements don't matter so much.

Even makes sense PVP wise. J'Mpok can't easilly switc from outright war to outright freinds overnight, especially with the undine situation, it would cost him way too much face in his political battle with the house of martok. On the other hand if there really is a major joint threat, (and the evidance is right there), he;s in danger of "sacraficing an empire to win a battle is no victory". He's caught between two fronts. with his honour on the line. But agreeing to limit hostilities to certian specific area's of contention and agreeing to working closely with the federation on all other matters gives him the best of both worlds. He's conserving his strongest forces for the real threats whilst not aditing he was tottally wrong. And if things work out with the feds in the long run he can justify a proper full peace treaty later when his position is stronger.

I can even write a plot arc that lets orions, nuassicanns and gorn integrate with the this without issues.


As for the long term. Unless somthing major changes. Klinks ARE doomed. The simple fact is if they can make more money with somthing fed side than klink side then they won't do it for klink side. period. It's not good economics at this point to invest anything in klinks whatsoever unless you intend to deal with their issues and expand them to the point where people start playing them as much as they do feds. Thats the only klink side project the devs will EVER get authourisation to do. Anything else is bad for the bottom line.
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# 45
07-01-2012, 01:14 PM
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OP Levi3
Only time will tell - but my point stands - No new KDF ships for the forseeable future is a fact

Do you just hang around hear and complain? I spent the last hour in Karvat in my heavy Bop tangling with the "Feds"

But of course I am a Fed troll so I must be a double agent
The last lends credence to the possibility that nobody likes you. The only certainity is you are a troll. The posts I've come to expect from you are arguementative and pointless. This one is surprising that it is equal parts spiteful and lazy; misrepresent a dev interview to spread doom and gloom and return periodically to stir the pot. Congratulations, you win again. I actually expected better from you.
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# 46
07-01-2012, 03:16 PM
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The last lends credence to the possibility that nobody likes you. The only certainity is you are a troll. The posts I've come to expect from you are arguementative and pointless. This one is surprising that it is equal parts spiteful and lazy; misrepresent a dev interview to spread doom and gloom and return periodically to stir the pot. Congratulations, you win again. I actually expected better from you.
How can I compete with such insight?

Misrepresent a Dev? Hmm - ok did he say that the next Few new ships will be Fed? Yes

Did he say that making KDF ships was not profitable enough? Yes

Did he say its hard to justify making KDF ships? yes

All he said is that the 1000 day vet ship may be faction specific or may not

ok so lets look out 6 months - Vesta- Sov Retro - and the 1000 day - they better make it universal and not faction specific or the crying here will be epic

imagine the next 3-6 months - Fed get A Vesta and a Sov retro and then a New 1000 day ship - all those new toys flying around and wow - a tiny few people get a 1000 day KDF ship that 95% of the other KDF players will never have and only see Fed ships everywhere

Oh yeah he painted a pretty good picture of bright roses and blue skies for the KDF - definitely no doom and gloom anywhere to be found

Now it is possibe that they may throw a bone out in the next 6 months just to say they have not forgotten about the KDF - same old - same old

Hows that - better?

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# 47
07-01-2012, 04:43 PM
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I think that he implied that there won't be any more KDF ships ever! It's just not profitable and you can infer that PWE sure as hell won't let Cryptic put out anything they think won't be profitable - that I can say with 100% certainty!!

No. He implied that the amount of Klingon ships developed will be few and far between compared to The Feds. Not that there won't be any more ever.

You can also tell that Al himself isn't a fan of the Klingons. He doesn't speak about them with any interest and most of the time completely omits them from conversation points even when speaking on a talking point that should include them. He constantly has to be prodded to give that "oh yeah, Klingons will/won't get that as well"

It's still crap news anyway you look at it. They basically just came out and admitted that they are giving up in Klingons and will be focusing on Fed or universal content. I'm leveling a Fed as we speak. Which I'm pretty sure is exactly what Cryptic wants. It could be worse though, at least they are keeping Klings on the level with Starbases, fleet ships, etc. it's not a complete loss and you'll have plenty to work towards.

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# 48
07-01-2012, 04:48 PM
Actually that's not bad at all. The reply you posted was a fair reiteration of the cast and delivered in an objective manner. In my opinion it sounds like business as usual in regard to STO.

If there was anything to look forward to there are the fleet ships. It appears that most console ships made the cut so there will be some "new" ships.

The tone of the interview was less condescending than the one with Mr. Stahl. While I don't like bad news I do appreciate that someone is willing to state issues they have with a process (continuing KDF development) rather than presenting me with a metaphor about a car ride with mom and dad. When I was a child I didn't give my folks gas money so I never felt entitled to provide them with direction. This interview offended me. There I finally stated that somewhere. I don't know what bothered me more when I heard it the snide guy trying to tell me he's my daddy or the muppet providing the laugh track that made it that much more excruciating.

I also considered who was conducting the interview. I don't know the podcaster but I can gather from listening to two podcasts I listened to that he was involved with his interests and mine are very different. Once the interviewee lead him away from the the Armitage they even talked about other things. The mention of anything relating to KDF was little more than a footnote and the direction of the interview was hardly intended to showcase the Klingon faction. It's one more reason the reveal seems underwhelming.

As for new directions the Vesta may not be for this faction but a true science vessel (for either faction) is something of a departure from pleasing the masses model. That he seemed to be sticking to the "unpopular" science scheme in the face of a vehement fan boy's pandering and fawning I was impressed. It helps that a real science vessel for either faction would please me.

The final assessment of your post is the same as mine but even if it isn't hurray rainbows and unicorns for all at least it isn't the gallows and nailed coffins you suggested initially.

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# 49
07-01-2012, 05:27 PM
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Actually that's not bad at all. The reply you posted was a fair reiteration of the cast and delivered in an objective manner. In my opinion it sounds like business as usual in regard to STO.

If there was anything to look forward to there are the fleet ships. It appears that most console ships made the cut so there will be some "new" ships.

The tone of the interview was less condescending than the one with Mr. Stahl. While I don't like bad news I do appreciate that someone is willing to state issues they have with a process (continuing KDF development) rather than presenting me with a metaphor about a car ride with mom and dad. When I was a child I didn't give my folks gas money so I never felt entitled to provide them with direction. This interview offended me. There I finally stated that somewhere. I don't know what bothered me more when I heard it the snide guy trying to tell me he's my daddy or the muppet providing the laugh track that made it that much more excruciating.

I also considered who was conducting the interview. I don't know the podcaster but I can gather from listening to two podcasts I listened to that he was involved with his interests and mine are very different. Once the interviewee lead him away from the the Armitage they even talked about other things. The mention of anything relating to KDF was little more than a footnote and the direction of the interview was hardly intended to showcase the Klingon faction. It's one more reason the reveal seems underwhelming.

As for new directions the Vesta may not be for this faction but a true science vessel (for either faction) is something of a departure from pleasing the masses model. That he seemed to be sticking to the "unpopular" science scheme in the face of a vehement fan boy's pandering and fawning I was impressed. It helps that a real science vessel for either faction would please me.

The final assessment of your post is the same as mine but even if it isn't hurray rainbows and unicorns for all at least it isn't the gallows and nailed coffins you suggested initially.
Fair enough. I do not dislike the KDF as people claim I do - if not I would not play my 3 Klink characters hours every day.

in the latest ship sale I really wanted to buy my first c-store KDF ship -but there was nothing that interested me as I am not a PvP player - I really gave the B'rel a real hard look over but in the end it did not suit my play style - so I picked up and Intrepid for my sci toon and Defiant retro for my Tac - I had been using the oddy 3 pack and fleet escort (have the excel refit in ship yard but have not used it since oddy pack was launched

The whole point of "this" thread - and am admitting past issues with my posting - was to make a point that Cryptic has no real interest in putting out anything worth while for the KDF in the near future - if ever

what I do not like are the real trolls who constantly either whine about what they cannot change or worse when it is pretty much slapped in their face - still try to convince others that there is hope for the KDF

Bottom line is that is better KDF player expect nothing - be surprized and happy if they get something - but not disappointed as what I believe - they get nothing

I still content that the KDF has the best tactical T5 non c-store ships anyways

Heavy Bop is way better than Fleet Escort
Raptor is better then the Sov(oh god - am I going to start a flame war with the Fed players now - that can't be I'm supposed to be a Fed troll !!)
The Neg is sort of in between the Sov and Star Crusier - But a Raptor should still take all 3 if done right

I just keep seeing the scene with Tom Cruise and Jack when I read the Klingon threads

"I want the Truth!!" "You can't handle the truth!!"

P.S - I would like the KDF to get a new ship that was popular - the one thing my posts do is get noticed - over 1000 views in under 12hours - if everyone that viewed my post instead of taking about trolling - replied and said yes I would 110% buy the new KDF ship that came out - Cryptic would take notice - so are you haters of me - truly confident you know my motives?

Last edited by levi3; 07-01-2012 at 05:37 PM.
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I hear KDF players on these threads say things that tell cryptic not to bother with the KDF

example: I hate doffing and am only interested in PvP

Translation to PWE business - they won't be spending $25 to max their doff lots and they wont be spending lots of money buying doffs

How many KDF players have over 300 slots on Doff roster? _ if not get buying!!

Remember this is ALL about the $$$$$ dollar signs and nothing more - and since Feds or 10x bigger it means that KDF is going to have to Bleed money 10x more if they want to be taken as seriously

Fairness? Balance? Promises? -- Irrelevant!! Lots anf lots of cash is all that can save the KDF - or get it anything worth while - so start uping your Doff roster!

3 of my Fed toons have 400 slots - 1 has 150

2 of my Klink toons have 250 - 1 has 100 - but he is brand new

If you say anything that does not make PWE see $$$$ - your post/pleas/cries/whine will be ignored - that is the cold hard fact

So get out there and start SPENDING real money - not dilth exchange to c-point money - like there is no tomorrow!!
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