Rihannsu
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# 51
07-02-2012, 05:37 AM
Well, they could relatively easily offer new KDF ships (stat-wise) and have them use the skins of lower tier ships. That would cut development time significantly.
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Rihannsu
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# 52
07-02-2012, 05:39 AM
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Well, they could relatively easily offer new KDF ships (stat-wise) and have them use the skins of lower tier ships. That would cut development time significantly.
that is largely what the starbase system will offer. there are numerous low level klingon ships added up to tier 5.

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# 53
07-02-2012, 05:54 AM
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But this is the first time(that I know of) someone at Cryptic has put the nail in the coffin on a podcast
this is not the first time thats for sure the thing that has stuck in my head for a while is stahl saying bang for buck its not bang for buck to make kdf stuff

(most people play feds)

duh they restrict making a kdf until u reach lvl 25 i think.

if it was the other way around we would have loads more kdf. alot of people after they spent so much time and money on a faction will tend to stick to that faction.

its not bang for buck to make more content for kdf or missions in general (either faction)

stfs are the focus most likely for some time to come.?!...

but you know what im sure cryptic has the cash to make kdf ships, and i understand a bussiness model but there are kdf player that WILL buy the ships it would keep alot of players happy and improve the game overall.

personly i see it as win win it may take abit longer to get the cost of making the ships back but its not going to be a loss and i really do think the focus should be making the game teh best game they can not how quick can we make a return and profit. i doubt they are that desprate.
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# 54
07-02-2012, 06:13 AM
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I hear KDF players on these threads say things that tell cryptic not to bother with the KDF

example: I hate doffing and am only interested in PvP

Translation to PWE business - they won't be spending $25 to max their doff lots and they wont be spending lots of money buying doffs

How many KDF players have over 300 slots on Doff roster? _ if not get buying!!

Remember this is ALL about the $$$$$ dollar signs and nothing more - and since Feds or 10x bigger it means that KDF is going to have to Bleed money 10x more if they want to be taken as seriously

Fairness? Balance? Promises? -- Irrelevant!! Lots anf lots of cash is all that can save the KDF - or get it anything worth while - so start uping your Doff roster!

3 of my Fed toons have 400 slots - 1 has 150

2 of my Klink toons have 250 - 1 has 100 - but he is brand new

If you say anything that does not make PWE see $$$$ - your post/pleas/cries/whine will be ignored - that is the cold hard fact

So get out there and start SPENDING real money - not dilth exchange to c-point money - like there is no tomorrow!!
1 fed 400 doff slots i have some of the ships at the time i got them for quads and a console or two.

11 kdf.

6 main (charaters i play alot) the rest are for farming dilithium doff cadre etc....

4 of the 6 have 400 doff slots and ive spent an insane amount buying kdf doff packs and cardi packs for those 4 toons

i have all but one ship for the kdf would like to buy more but hey looks like i will have to grind starbase stuff to aquire them.

also 3 of my kdf toons have a the bug ship 1 galor and 2 d'kora.

anyway... i know im one person in a vast sea of players i have spent my fair share of cash on this game almost all of it on kdf im sure there are more players out that would love to be able to buy more kdf ships.

my fav kdf ship is the kar'fi id like to see more interesting ships like this and from what i hear cbs arnt as strict when it comes to kdf ships etc.. why dont cryptic use that to there adavntage and flush out kdf this will im sure get more players coming to kdf.

cryptic needs to stop looking and spreadsheets and numbers and make the best game they can for both sides.

using more people play feds argument when u cant even pick a kdf til u lvl up some is just plain lazy.
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# 55
07-02-2012, 06:34 AM
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Your absolutely right Roach - I should let sleeping dogs lie - in their delusions
What delusions? That the Devs are focused more on Fed than KDF growth? We already knew this as its been the case for 2 years. That no new KDF ships on on the horizon for us? We already new this as we where told when they released all the new ships we recieved months ago that the KDF was designed first with the feds to follow.

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I am sorry for throwing reality out there
the only reality that exists is that Cryptic half-assed the KDf faction and is focused more on the revenue stream of the fed playerbase than us.
What is not a reality is that the KDF is being left for dead, to never see another ships, costume or any addition to its content.
Until a Dev actually steps up and says, "We will no longer make KDF content of any form" its just back to the same old situation for us KDF fans - to be overlooked and only courted with content when the fancy strikes the Dev team, as a source of revenue for the game.

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Only time will tell - but my point stands - No new KDF ships for the forseeable future is a fact
Except your opening post did not say " for the forseeable future", it said " no more" and thats not the case.

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Do you just hang around hear and complain? I spent the last hour in Karvat in my heavy Bop tangling with the "Feds"
I play in Ker'rat and tangle with the feds just fine. Evidently not at the same time of day that you do though.

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But of course I am a Fed troll so I must be a double agent
I never said you where a fed troll, just a troll. Or so a good deal of your posts seem to be.

To come out and say things like "never", "no more" and "will not be" and throw them upon the already pissed and upset KDF playerbase is to erode the hope that things may change.
We can only expect change for the KDF if we continue to hope and strive for that change, to except a finality of our position is to give up, and a Warrior never gives up.

Every KDF fan hits that wall of despair and doubt about the future of our faction and will post doom and gloom, I've hit it as well as others, but we still persist in our campaign to let the Devs and those persistant feds whom wish us to give up, know that we will not go quietly and expect to see the complete faction we where told was the desire of Cryptic and PWE to give us.
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# 56
07-02-2012, 06:39 AM
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1 fed 400 doff slots i have some of the ships at the time i got them for quads and a console or two.

11 kdf.

6 main (charaters i play alot) the rest are for farming dilithium doff cadre etc....

4 of the 6 have 400 doff slots and ive spent an insane amount buying kdf doff packs and cardi packs for those 4 toons

i have all but one ship for the kdf would like to buy more but hey looks like i will have to grind starbase stuff to aquire them.

also 3 of my kdf toons have a the bug ship 1 galor and 2 d'kora.

anyway... i know im one person in a vast sea of players i have spent my fair share of cash on this game almost all of it on kdf im sure there are more players out that would love to be able to buy more kdf ships.

my fav kdf ship is the kar'fi id like to see more interesting ships like this and from what i hear cbs arnt as strict when it comes to kdf ships etc.. why dont cryptic use that to there adavntage and flush out kdf this will im sure get more players coming to kdf.

cryptic needs to stop looking and spreadsheets and numbers and make the best game they can for both sides.

using more people play feds argument when u cant even pick a kdf til u lvl up some is just plain lazy.
Great to hear(but PWE wants to see lots and lots of outside cash flow not dilth farming) - now if another 5000+ KDF players would spend lots and lots of money - real money - not dilth farmed to cp - then maybe, just maybe PWE would do something with the KDF (say 5000 x $200 = $1 million which would be a start)

You have to remember that Cryptic answers to PWE - and spreadsheets and numbers are ALL that matters - $$$$ signs and nothing else
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# 57
07-02-2012, 06:52 AM
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Every KDF fan hits that wall of despair and doubt about the future of our faction and will post doom and gloom, I've hit it as well as others, but we still persist in our campaign to let the Devs and those persistant feds whom wish us to give up, know that we will not go quietly and expect to see the complete faction we where told was the desire of Cryptic and PWE to give us.
Despite what you think I do understand your frustrations - but someone who has been around as long as you should see the writing on the wall and read between the lines from what is said by Cryptic - or not said.

The whole point of my posting is to force KDF players into the reality that getting upset about it is useless - whining about it is useless - crying about it is useless

Spending VAST amouts of money on KDF stuff at the c-store - is NOT useless - this is what PWE pays attention to - that is the only "campaign that has a chance of winning!

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# 58
07-02-2012, 06:58 AM
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Great to hear(but PWE wants to see lots and lots of outside cash flow not dilth farming) - now if another 5000+ KDF players would spend lots and lots of money - real money - not dilth farmed to cp - then maybe, just maybe PWE would do something with the KDF (say 5000 x $200 = $1 million which would be a start)

You have to remember that Cryptic answers to PWE - and spreadsheets and numbers are ALL that matters - $$$$ signs and nothing else
whoa u cant serously think that all the charaters slot doff space ships etc... is all from dilitum farming lol.

last month i spent ?300 just on cadre packs. since i started playing i have spent about ?2000+

i know thats alot of cash but hey thats not the point i was trying to make my point was i have spent maybe ?80 on fed but after i lvl'd that toon i thought id give kdf a go and i prefer kdf and it shows in the numbers. im sure there is alot of players out there that prefer kdf. so the argument that More people buy fed ships sint good enough if cryptic came out and said we dont not make a profit at all from mkaing kdf ships. then i would understand but im sure they do get the costs back and even profit from the sales just may take alittle long than if it were a fed ship.

the players are here kdf want more ships they can easily add ships even with there hands being less tied from cbs etc.

and if you are going to argue that season 6 will have more kdf ships i dont mean re-skined refrofits.

kar'fi for example its a beauitful ship there is no justified reason why they are not making them.
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# 59
07-02-2012, 07:15 AM
I'm sorry Mistress, but while Your posts are very Sexy looking...
... I can't read um worth a darn... and I'm curious as to what You have to say...

I hope You don't mind too much that I brought them back into the light....

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did you read anything? nothing you state is said in the interview, nor in antyhing I said. THAT is exactly why I state, lets not "read" anything into anything or take anything out of context. What is stated in that interview was not what the OP posted. Perhaps you need to check your anger and disappointment at the door to.

It is why I stated, " Granted, Xas, there are many things that were done wrong, but lets not add to the problems by misrepresentation of a partial statement vs the entire statement." which is what you did here.

FYI hon, since you do not know, I been playing since closed beta. Only recently have I made a posting account simply due to me looking for a fleet to call home. I play more then He(husband) does now, so if I want a nice home for my little orion, it means I need to find myself one ^^
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ummmm... that is not what was stated hon. I suggest you go back, cool your heart some, and listen again. ^^

That conversation you take out of context was simply comparing the bortas sales to the oddy sales. Mr. Rivvera mentions before that that a completely new Klingon ship is coming out for the 1000 day veteran reward for both factions. He also states that short term plans, that the groups has decided that no newly designed KDF ships are coming out any time soon.

Why?

Umm, because he mentions they just added new skins, to all the new "Fleet" refits that both the Fed and KDF got? Not to mention the unique skin that all 900 day members get for both factions? ^-

Just saying sweety, perhaps looking at the larger picture is better then misquoting folks or short sightedness. Granted, Xas, there are many things that were done wrong, but lets not add to the problems by misrepresentation of a partial statement vs the entire statement.


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Gawd, LUV that icon hon, don't EVER loose that.

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granted he spelled a few things out, that I already new. Things Mr. Stahl spelled out more then two months ago, so I am at a loss why this should be shocking news.

might, maybe's, if, thing is that is not what he stated levi. That was why i pointed that out. You seen what you wanted to see, as many do, and took from it a small portion of what was said.

I guess it is why I look at many acting with such venom and hurt feelings, being a devout Klingon player myself, I can understand those feelings, but realistically that is no reason to go about acting how many are as if this is a personal accosting and insult to them at such a level.

Cryptic is a company, and like any company they are going to put forth their effort where the money is. It is not rocket science, or a personal insult to anyone. It is good business sense.

Do I like the fact of what was stated, of course not. Will my "fragile" world end because of it? oh pulllease... If that is all I had to worry over with my mother having cancer, my own self having a cancer scare (that thankfully was negative) not to mention everything myself and my husband deal with in our families?

riiight...

Listen dears, some of you really make me worry over you all. If I ever was half aggravated with a game as much as many of you post, I'll be honest, I'd leave it and have my husband remove it off my computer the very second and take our money someplace else. We (he and I) have done it in the past leaving maxed out characters, 10 of them, decked to the gills in World of ********, and 9 Dark Age of Camelot. This game is no different.

Maybe it is just my experience giving me a different way of looking at things Levi dear, but in the essence of it all, is it really worth all that aggravation?

What you are are hashing over is not news, Nau we may not like it, but the last board meeting they(cryptic) had they didn't invite me, sooooo that explained where I stand ^^. My only recourse is either
1. spend money with them
2. take my money someplace else.
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awwww thank you hon HUG for going through all of that effort to show word per word what exactly was said. ^^

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# 60
07-02-2012, 07:15 AM
I think I'm going to go on a positive note here.

1. Disclaimer: I have one maxed KDF toon.

2. I already had the B'rel Retrofit. This past weekend, I bought another KDF ship to get the Bio-Neural torpedo option. Loving it so far!

3. I'm actively working to figure out a good build for the B'rel that fits my Science character and my play style. I'm learning how to run it as a (mostly) torpedo boat with tactics that work in PvE. Once I've got that down, I'll start getting some PvP experience and tune it some more. I've got respecs if I need 'em.

4. Can you believe I leveled without ever playing through the Fek'liri missions? (Mostly with FE content.) I've gotten through the first set and I'm in the middle of helping Kahless now.

5. Waiting for the right moment to start a new KDF character. I've been wanting to play a Gorn for ages. Since it's clear that starting as a level 1 KDF is no longer a consideration, I have less reason to put it off.

6. In negotiations right now to start a KDF fleet with my Federation fleet members.

7. Fleet ships obtained through starbase shipyards sounds awesome and the KDF did not get left out.

8. After Season 6 launches, I'm going to go back and see about finishing up a KDF foundry mission I was working on. I need them to fix my issue with not being able to buy foundry slots as a Silver player.

So.. as far as I am concerned, the KDF is not dead. There will be more KDF ships in the future, but I am in no hurry. I can wait.
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